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I don't think there is some crazy "distraction level" that's making Tesla non-profitable. He's not there doing day-to-day activities. He's strictly making company-wide decisions.

Their current portfolio is extremely competitive with everything it their respective price range. They don't build race cars, they built true luxury cars. Quiet, comfortable, quality materials, pickup/drop off your vehicle for service.

SpaceX is it's own private company and financially has nothing to do with Tesla. The Tesla solar panels and Wall Power are part of Tesla though.

Which includes AMG's street cars... But in all seriousness, I don't think ANY vehicle's engine and transmission could NOT withstand that. I'm almost certain brakes on all of those vehicles will fail before blowing an engine or transmission up. A crazy air filtration system is just a gimmick to advertise something "neat". I really don't see the point of it, but I guess it's a neat thing... I don't even really think it is bunker-style as the side windows clearly have a lot of window.

And they haven't made a yearly profit since the beginning either so you're requesting higher quality in other places which only increases costs even more. That sounds like a formula to lose more money.

Maybe they shouldn't be military-grade if they want to turn a profit..? Mercedes is a profitable company, Tesla is not. I think this right here is what absolutely kills the car for me. This ratio being off messes with everything else.

F1 changed that awhile back as the top teams would rebuild/replace-with-new after every race but now they're required to last 7 races(sealed - cannot be touched) or they're penalized. But, your point still stands. 7 races is far from extreme durability as it's estimated to be only 1326 miles + practice and qualifying(add 15%..?). Not in F1.

From what I've read, the EQS is estimated to be sub-400 miles on the US test cycle. Yeah, Mercedes botched the styling of the EQS and I'm usually a sucker for Mercedes styling. That thing just has not grown on me yet. I don't care that its function over styling. It's ugly.

I didn't mean to quote myself, meant to edit previous comment.

Well, it's not very accurate. Ford has the Mach E, Escape plug-in and Lincoln has the plug-in Aviator & Corsair. That's just one company, how many others are wrong?

You literally just said 3 years is "current data". 2021 - 2018 = 3.

You mentioned ONE Vehicle, Model S Plaid. Until 2021, were there more than a couple released in 2019 and 2020?

What was false? 20% of people in California switched back to ICE. Also, I've said MULTIPLE times that I am absolutely NOT against EVs. They have their place but they are not a god to be bowed down to, like some treat them. I'm pretty sure I've even said one of the cheapy older ones with <100 of range would be a great vehicle for around town when they hit the used market for like 3-5k. It also did not say there were zero public chargers. Those people who bought an electric car absolutely knew where public chargers were located. Plenty of chargers in California in 2018. https://evadoption.com/ev-charging-stations-statistics/charging-stations-by-state/

I had to Google the EQS, they're targeting 478 miles on the Euro cycle but it's estimated to be under 400 in the EPA's cycle. 500 miles is insane. I only see a need or even a want for something like that in a long-haul truck, be it a semi or dually 3500/350's(loaded rating or something similar).

No. Just the fact that not everybody has fallen in love with them once they've lived with them. That's it. We don't buy the same exact vehicle/configuration every time with ICE. Why is it surprising that somebody who bought an EV wasn't 100% satisfied with their EV? Yes, that's something people either have to adapt to or charge publicly. It's their choice to spend the money to install a home charger or not. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain California has not had an issue with public chargers for quite a long time. So what exactly has changed in the three years? Batteries are still lithium-ion, there aren't a whole lot of different EV options, and level 2 charging is still level 2 charging.

WUT? I'm not arguing for or against a needed 400 mile range or "filling up" at home. I was simply asking what manufacturers are coming out with 400 mile range vehicles.

Who all is claiming 400+ miles of range? I'd love to see it but that's a hell of a distance.

Per the article I linked. "Of those who switched, over 70% lacked access to Level 2 charging at home, and slightly fewer than that lacked Level 2 connections at their workplace. Public charging stations may look like the electric version of the gas station, but nearly two-thirds of PEV drivers in the survey said they didn't use them. Exactly why they didn't use the public stalls was not specified. EVs have come a long way in recent years in terms of range, safety, comfort, and tech features, but Hardman and Tal note that very little has changed in terms of how they are recharged." There was no mention of lack of public chargers. Also, there isn't nearly the cost savings when charging in public. What EXACTLY is different in battery technology in 2021 EVs vs 2018 EVs?

How would a study done even yesterday account for FUTURE technology?

https://www.businessinsider.com/electric-car-owners-switching-gas-charging-a-hassle-study-2021-4 1 in 5 electric vehicle owners in California switched back to gas because charging their cars is a hassle, research shows Roughly one in five plug-in electric vehicle (PEV) owners switched back to owning gas-powered cars, in large part because charging the batteries was a pain in the… trunk, the researchers found. Of those who switched, over 70% lacked access to Level 2 charging at home, and slightly fewer than that lacked Level 2 connections at their workplace. "If you don't have a Level 2, it's almost impossible," said Tynan, who has tested a wide range of makes and models of PEVs over the years for his research. Even with the faster charging, a Chevy Bolt he tested still needed nearly six hours to top its range back up to 300 miles from nearly empty — something that takes him just minutes at the pump with his family SUV. Public charging stations may look like the electric version of the gas station, but nearly two-thirds of PEV drivers in the survey said they didn't use them. Exactly why they didn't use the public stalls was not specified. EVs have come a long way in recent years in terms of range, safety, comfort, and tech features, but Hardman and Tal note that very little has changed in terms of how they are recharged. "It should not be assumed that once a consumer purchases a PEV they will continue owning one," Hardman and Tal wrote. "What is clear is that this could slow PEV market growth and make reaching 100% PEV sales more difficult."

So... do we think competition will destroy Tesla? I think competition will make for better Tesla products. I'm thinking(hoping) that they don't go away(very doubtful) or sold to a legacy automaker(lame - they do unique things that legacy automakers don't allow with their corporate structure). It will certainly be an interesting future with Tesla gaining competitors every month it seems.

Absolutely. Don't forget about the Charger, which peaked in 2007.

That definitely sounds like the PNW.

Technically the Charger and Challenger have as well, if you're being technical about it.

Yeah and MOST everybody still doesn't care how old the Model S is. They've gotten their refreshes on the outside, inside and underneath and people still love them. It's pretty old at this point but it certainly isn't slowing them down. I've said it here before that products need to stick around for a year or two(or longer) longer so these companies can amortize the costs, bank some extra cash, and it would likely help keep the end prices down a bit as they won't have to pay for more R&D. Instead of one major refresh on the same platform, make it a second refresh and keep essentially the same product around for another 3 years. Obviously, they know what they're doing and I'm just a nobody to them who isn't buying a new vehicle anyway but I feel like they'd all be a little more successful.