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Good luck with that lol. Somewhere there is a therapist in his area with a doll that shows where the bad EV touched him. And that’s a lot of cars whose respective brands will see a sizable decline in sales if this is allowed to happen over a prolonged period. But hey, as long as Trumps ego is satisfied, it’s great for America right? And I’m assuming that all of Donald and Ivankas China and Mexico made goods will be subject to these tariffs too? Fair is fair right? Walk the walk if you’re going to talk the talk.

And your first step is acknowledging sarcasm because you haven’t shown you’ve know jack squat since you jumped on a thread you said you were done with three days ago. No. You were clearly trolling as evidenced by your senseless follow remark awaiting a reply. I just don’t have time for the senseless crap. But that is okay for Trump supporters as they always buy American and never have to worry about the impact of an economically impotent president negatively impacting their lives. Sarcasm 101 for the sarcasm impaired out there.

Which I do believe is also requesting to see his finances. Maybe they can talk to his ex-judge sister who was/is also under investigation for tax fraud. ? I’m sure the resident tax experts here have an explanation (deflection) for this as well since they like to portray themselves as “educated” while us simpletons know nothing. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/us/maryanne-trump-barry-misconduct-inquiry.amp.html

There has been some confusion regarding my stance on Trumps taxes so let me clarify myself. While his personal taxes probably don’t matter (because they really won’t reveal much in the grand scheme of things), his corporate taxes are very important to know, ie the hundreds of LLCs and shell companies he owns. This article here sums up why very nicely and that is all I’m going to say about it because while two people have now insulted my “education” or knowledge of this, they have failed themselves failed to prove how they know any better. Here you go. Time for me to sit in the pool and relax for a while. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1258781001

Nope. Just don’t care and it’s 100% irrelevant since I’m not the one running for president much less am the president. You can keep the snideness to yourself next time junior. @dwightlooi—The hell there is isn’t a legal obligation. Section 6301(f)(1) of the tax code stipulates that upon official written request, the Treasury Secretary “shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request.”

A detailed tax statement most certainly does detail where his money was coming from unless you’re under the guise that he doesn’t have to provide the sources of his income when he files them. It is simply asinine to assume that it doesn’t because many folks have been busted for those same types of crimes using IRS tax statements and documents. You have also sidestepped two things: 1.-Trump himself promised he’d release them after getting elected. His claims of being under audit don’t hold any legal water and this is easily verifiable. That’s makes him a liar which to most reasonable folks means he has something to hide. 2.-No other president in our history has had so many dealings and debt held with so many different countries, the same countries we are “negotiating” with. Not sure how or why that simple concept escapes you. This makes his finances and taxes fair game, end of story. And for for the record, while I’m obviously not a tax expert, I have been doing my own since I was 16 (thirty years to the day) so I am not ignorant to the principles of reported income and such so you can just keep your little K-12 insult because clearly it’s you that needs to re-educate yourself while you make excuses for Trump not doing what every other candidate has done for the last forty years. From the actual tax experts: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2019/04/10/trump-tax-returns Long story short, if you or I refused to provide IRS documents to the government, we’d be in prison. @balthazar—See my above response as to why it matters in Trumps case more so than some others in the past.

Be careful @ocnblu. Might want to save all those negative votes you just threw out while claiming to have no interest in the subject. #whostherealsnowflakehere

You clearly have ZERO understanding of what happens when someone decides to become a public servant much less the president of the United States. Besides it seems to me that you would be taking a different view on this had Clinton become president. Your bias is clearly obvious here. Let me say this for you one more time. His net worth is not the issue here. How he got it is. The man has business dealings with just about every country we are trying to “negotiate” with regarding trade, war, and everything else that matter. That makes how he got his money 100% open to public scrutiny. To pretend otherwise is walking around with your eyes closed. Your efforts to move the bar regarding this is ridiculously biased in nature. What do you not understand about that?

Except Trumps business finances have absolutely been inseparable from his personal finances unlike Sam Walton. They both merit a thorough review as a result. This is all became relevant once he became a public servant. He personal and business dealings around the world make it necessary to review both. That’s the point here. See my above response. LLC does not factor here.

My wife is from Illinois and my uncle lived there for over twenty years. I am very familiar with their political leanings. Here’s the thing. I live in red state Arizona and was born in redder state North Carolina. Neither of those states political leanings had any affect on my voting habits. That’s just being complicit without seeing a need for change IMO.

The Trump Foundation was shut down. Knowing that, why would they have to be shut down if they did nothing wrong? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/18/trump-foundation-shutdown-lawsuit @dwightlooi—Please read this before saying that protectionism in a capitalist economy works. https://hbr.org/1987/05/why-protectionism-doesnt-pay In this case, both are relevant since one in inseparable from the other.

Context is your friend here. I suggest reading it again but you’re the only that said you only had “one choice” when you didn’t.

And the Trump Foundation is under investigation for even more questionable practices.

I would up vote this a thousand times if I could but I apparently ran out of votes to give for the day.

Did you see anything in any of my posts that mentioned your party of choice? No. If you don’t want people putting words in your mouth then don’t put words into theirs. Oh and your state (I’m assuming you still reside in Illinois) had four choices.

How would you that he was the least corrupt if you don’t even want to know how he made his fortune? (Which, for the record, was the tactic used against the Clintons and how they made their money)

I wouldn’t know. I didn’t vote for either one of them but your “dilemma” illustrates the problem with the voting process and the mindset of most voters to begin with. You, like so many others, assumed that there were only two choices.

@ccap41-Yet you chose not inform yourself about Trump (or at least selectively not inform yourself about him). Interesting.

Enjoy being duped then. Sorry indeed.

And that’s the problem. It should matter. Saying it doesn’t is just turning a blind eye or just doing this...

You literally ignored every other reason to check his taxes by focusing only on how much he makes as opposed to how he made it and by what means. That’s the point of the tax reveal. We Americans have an absolute right to know how someone made their fortune once they become a public servant, whether it is Hillary Clinton, Ted Cruz, Nancy Pelosi, or Donald Trump. If you don’t see the reasons why, especially after all the legitimate reasons given on this thread, then you are honestly blind, no offense.

Actually it does when HE SAID HE WOULD. I don’t know about you but I prefer presidents keep their word. Besides, it would resolve this “how much is he really worth” argument. And I got some news for you. It matters to a lot of people given his international dealings. If you can’t see the importance of that, then there’s no need in further talking about this with you because it has been nicely laid out throughout this entire thread as to why it’s important. You also cherry picked my statement regarding the debt with a China vs. Japan. The rate at which it has gone up is only one part of the equation. Read this to to get a better idea of why our debt to China is a bigger deal than the debt to Japan. https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-debt-to-china-how-much-does-it-own-3306355

Here’s what you’re not getting. The money possessed by all those other billionaires can be pretty easily verified. Trumps cannot. The man has lied about his wealth for decades and that is a fact. He routinely campaign these finance magazines to show he has more than he actually does. If he wants to really let everyone know how much he has then all he has to do is release his taxes like he promised back in 2016. Otherwise, it’s just another con in a long line of David Dennison cons. Oh and to to answer your Japan debt question, it’s really easy. It sucks but the debt with China is the one growing at a faster rate and we are not always at the potential for military conflict with Japan (not since the 1940s anyway). The ramifications with China are far greater as a result.

What China is doing is not equal to the practices that killed the US economy in the 1930s. Their method of “protectionism” is far different than what we used back in the day. Well it’s easy to get started or recover from bankruptcies when daddy fronts you the money on multiple occasions. Fact. I stand by my “average at best” statement. That would be China and Russia with some side help from the Deutsche Bank. No American bank would touch him. That should tell you something right there.

Those are all fine and dandy scenarios but you chose to ignore one big number. $1.23 Trillion Thats the amount is US debt OWNED by China. You also skipped this number: $12 Trillion That is China’s economy whose growth and GDP, for the record, has and continues to outpace the US economy and GDP and has for the last thirty years. To pretend like this is small potatoes is just ignorant to the facts. A snippet from Investopedia.com ”The World Bank reported a spurt in China’s economic growth in 2017 for the first time since 2010, mainly driven by a cyclical rebound in global trade. It projects a growth of 6.6% in 2018 which would sober down to around 5.5% by 2023. Over the years, the difference in the size of the Chinese and the U.S. economy has been shrinking rapidly. In 2017, the Chinese GDP in nominal terms stood at $12.01 trillion, lower than the U.S. by $7.37 trillion. In 2018, the gap is expected to reduce to $6.32 trillion and by 2023 the difference would be of $2.96 trillion. In terms of GDP in PPP, China is the largest economy with a GDP (PPP) of $23.15 trillion. By 2023, China GDP (PPP) would be $37.06 trillion. China’s huge population brings down its GDP per capita to $8,643.11 (seventy-second position).” Besides, everything you just stated contradicts your “The US could do it all ourselves” statement you made earlier. You can’t sit on both sides of the fence where that is concerned. Yes, we know China has bent some rules but guess what? So have we! This is not news nor will it change a damn thing by implementing tariffs, which is the original subject of the thread to begin with. History has shown tariffs and protectionism policies to be a huge failures. See the 1930s if you have any doubts about that because Trump is reading from that outdated playbook. All the number shell games you just played do not change that fact. And remember folks. All this “buy America” propaganda was typed and posted on devices NOT made in the US.