surreal1272

How high are you? Did you just seriously try to compare a Vette with an almost $3 million hypercar? Seriously? So Mercedes excuse in having multiple tiers is what? ”Shall I look at the $3 million hypercar or shall I look at the $30K FWD car? Good thing they both happen to be in the same place.”

I love how you laugh but you have no reasonable counter argument to the facts, just like everything else that has been presented to you here @ocnblu Funny how it’s so similar to your ignorance towards EVs. Reality will not be kind to the ignorant.

This covers the logistics pretty and explains how just putting up a wall is not so black and white, a point missed by many Trump supporters. https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work

Spent a lot of years in Florida and that is the exception not the rule. Now imagine trying cover thousands of miles of coastline and nearly endless water.

There is no playing here. It’s called reality. See Cuba and Florida before making that statement. We can’t even keep folks from crossing a 90 miles stretch of water. You also don’t get to tell anyone to settle down with your little “Einstein” remark.

No offense but you clearly wouldn’t know the truth if it hit you in the head with a brick. It’s what happens when you ignore history, facts, and empirical evidence, which is apparently the Trump way. “The Truth is not the truth”.

Are you really this ignorant? Do you seriously. NOT think that they won’t start coming by sea? Please tell me you are not so foolish to believe that. Your cherry picking four words just shows how you clearly have no clue. Putting up a wall there is like putting up a fence in front of your house but not around it.

Sigh...Good grief. Read the links to stories I posted yesterday as opposed to down voting the damn facts. And those tariffs are going to ruin us not Mexico. Maybe the reason why you can’t have political discussions is because you only want to discuss your politics while ignoring literally every damn thing else in front of you.

Stated not “states”.

And that’s your problem. You think it should stay in this imaginary marketplace that never existed for it in the first place. You obviously don’t know what the Vettes mission is. And if Cadillac exists for more expensive models, what is Mercedes excuse for $30K FWD compact cars and Metris vansin an otherwise Uber luxury brand that share the same lots as their $300K+ models? I know but since the C8 isn’t out yet, I’m going with known numbers.

So no straight answer, no acknowledgement of our own country’s responsibility in the creation of these $h!hole nations you want to put down and now you think a damn wall is the solution? No wonder you don’t want to talk about this because you honestly have offered nothing of substance, just Trump talking points. Let me just say this about the wall. Go ahead and build the damn thing that Mexico was supposed to pay for and didn’t. After it’s done, I want you and every other Trump supporter to look at a map of the US and notice the over 10,000 miles of coastline. Are you going to put a wall around that too once everyone starts using these little thing called BOATS to get here? Having said that, how does Mexico step it up with jobs for their people if we are taking them away with tariffs, which again is Trumps states goal?

BS. No one drug you in. You chose to and only now seem to see you walked into a gunfight with a butter knife.

I just love how you expect a Vette to basically stay the same price while literally everything else has gone up. There were Mercedes models that were “cheap” back then that aren’t now. Where’s their criticism? Oh that’s right. For the record, the Vette starts at $55,900 which still makes a value in the sports car world. Stop exaggerating with this $60K nonsense. It should be considered shameful that the Vette shames much more expensive sport cars from Germany in terms of performance but we will just ignore that so that you can criticize something else about GM.

So basically you’re saying only Mercedes can be all things to all people because that’s pretty much what you’re saying here and perfectly illustrates the fallacy in debating with a one brand fan. No matter what, you give excuses to Mercedes that are not allowed for others.

“Should be, could be”. Only you are so concerned about it. Clearly GM isn’t and it hasn’t been a problem. You’d just find a way to slam a $100K Cadillac sportscar anyway.

Everyone is building more crossovers because that’s what people are buying. Also, if building a mid-engine Vette is “GM playing it safe”, then I guess that’s a good thing. I also see that they are not “playing it safe” here. They clearly have plans for Cadillac performance models that go beyond this new V series designation. That’s just more speculation without proof from you.

@ocnblu—While you want Mexico to have these jobs so they stop coming here, please explain why Trump wants the opposite. Today, in support of his tariffs, one of his reasons for this was to get auto manufacturers to come back to the US. Now how can one support jobs for Mexico and support a policy that takes away those jobs?

All problems this country helped create, from the remnants of the Monroe Doctrine to the useless war on drugs. How some folks don’t see that is simply beyond me.

Deflection and missing the point at the same time. Congrats. I am talking about sedans, not dime a dozen CUVs.

I guess the truth really bothers some here if all they do is down vote you when you present facts while citing legitimate sources. Proof that gaslighting is real. Here is a list of successful deals negotiated by the Trump Administration: 1.

LMAO! Love that link. Got to love the “America first” crowd that shows their support for it by buying a “Made in Mexico” car (that I’m sure they would have NOT paid a 25% tax on) and then whining about that same country because those people want to have a better life. Talk about “mixed messages”.

GTFO. I could not stand Obama but I also know that these same folks would not work with him regarding anything. Where was your concern then? Oh that’s right. It only matters now that a republican is in office. Trump couldnt get $h! done with a GOP majority for the first two years and has literally lied about everything. This not an “obsession” as you call it. This is the truth. So you would have paid a 25% higher tax on that Compass just to prove your support for the president? Yeah, somehow I doubt that because then you would have to acknowledge the obvious flaw in the tariff game. And please give a proper answer to the facts I gave earlier regarding this country’s role in making these $h!hole countries instead of down voting because it hurts that’s fragile little Trump supporting ego. Don’t worry though blu. After these tariffs are implemented and our farmers start getting pinched even more, we can just have Trump throw another $15 Billion at them while deriding those “socialist democrats”. Making everyone but America great again.

Guess it’s a good thing you bought your Mexican made Jeep before those tariffs kick in. Irony is definitely not without a sense of humor here.

A little more background of our role in creating $h!hole countries. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2338489002

I can put the blame where it belongs. Let’s start with all of our engagements and meddling in Central America since the 1930s that resulted in endless civil wars and despot leaders. Now, add in our failed “war on drugs” policies that started during the Nixon years and was amplified during the Reagan years, and you have the perfect recipe for the current disaster in that region. Maybe you should crack open a history book on it before spouting off pro-Trump propaganda. https://medium.com/s/story/timeline-us-intervention-central-america-a9bea9ebc148 See above response. Whats hilariously sad is that I never see folks labeling the Irish the same way as brown folks even though they also fled a $h!hole country situation for decades and we have tens of thousands of them here illegally in one fashion or another. Where’s our east coast wall that needs to be paid for by Ireland (that last part is clearly meant to be a joke btw)? https://www.google.com/amp/s/psmag.com/.amp/social-justice/how-the-immigration-crackdown-is-hitting-the-irish-community