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How well are those updates working for them right (referring to the 737s)? Maybe not the best example lol. The B-52s have seen numerous updates over the years because they are simply indispensable tools that continue to prove their worth. On a side note, my dad was an instructor on the B-52s back in the 60s. He knew every part of that plane down to the last rivet. His speciality with them was electrical.

The F35 program is a perfect example of budgets run amok. Every year, the cost were and continue to skyrocket past the original budget numbers for it.

I’m thinking the use of the term “nationalized” is what brought on that question.

Again, not disagreeing there. At least Bill saw the need for it and got some increases to it done.

Not disagreeing with that but you asked “what about Bill?” And I merely offered the evidence that he at least tried. Implementation is a whole other matter.

And for all Bill Clinton’s flaws, he was probably the last president that was able to work across the aisle and negotiate with both parties. Our current president can’t even negotiate with his own party. Example? The Saudi Arabia arms deal that the GOP wants to stop but Trump wants to push through. Obama also had issues with his own party but they seem to be much worse now under Trump. There just simply is no bipartisanship anymore. That’s a bit socialist don’t you think?

Funny you should bring up Bill. While he had his flaws, he actually helped spearhead increased spending on infrastructure, all while dealing with a GOP majority congress. “Roads and bridges, airports and seaports, highways and canals are all critical parts of a country’s infrastructure. Without them, goods and services cannot move efficiently, raising costs for consumers and dramatically limiting the potential for growth. The Clinton administration recognized this and sought to increase investments in these areas. In 1992 federal spending on transportation infrastructure totaled $40.9 billion, in inflation-adjusted 2000 dollars. By the year 2000, the last year of President Clinton’s term, that total was up 15 percent to nearly $47 billion.” Source: https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/reports/2011/10/28/10405/power-of-progressive-economics-the-clinton-years/

And I’m guessing posts like these two have no bearing on the ability to have a political discussion? What’s that they say about glass houses?

You are technically correct and I should have clarified my point a bit. Half of that budget is toward social security. When it comes to discretionary spending though, we have this. GTFO with that. My pointing that out has no bearing on ones ability to discuss politics. I can discuss it all day long. I have for decades now. I discussed the many failings of Obama back on the old MT threads and caught hell for it from the ultra liberal crowd but at least they still tried to discuss it. Here, however, it seems to be Trump supporters who are incapable of debating a damn thing that dares to point out flaws in Trumps policies. Those folks say they don’t want to discuss yet continually troll the subject with snarky remarks and pointless down votes. I will not apologize for pointing that out when I have been about as unbiased in the political realm as I can possibly be. Democrat or Republican, I have criticized them both. Oh and before one comments on my down vote remarks, at least understand that when I down vote, I try to back it up with a post explaining the down vote. For the record, I agree with your budget remark. That’s why I pointed out the huge problem with said budget. It’s beyond out of hand.

Ooh, a highly combustable liquid that sits behind your ass everytime I get in the car. Urine or gasoline, both are pretty damn dirty but only one can cause an explosion if hit the wrong way. See how your snide remarks can used against you? I must have missed something. What does urine have to do with this article?

Kind of my point. Military spending is over half our yearly budget while our roads, bridges, transportation, schools, and healthcare needs go to pot. Sadly I don’t see it changing anytime soon. Too many big players in the war business. Oh and while we do need to address the piggy bank situation, we should also address so much of our money being in our peoples piggy banks (like China and Japan, two of our biggest debt holders). It certainly goes both ways. @ocnblu-Debate the facts you seem in such a rush to down vote. It’s not that hard really. Or maybe it’s because you can’t really debate the facts. Who knows because you’ve never said.

Listen here blu. Why do YOU have to interject your BS troll posts into EVERY EV thread? Your posts are pure fear mongering in nature whether you want to admit it or not. When compared to gas powered engines, EVs are most certainly progress. The progress is a reduction in our dependence in Middle East oil and an investment in better EV tech is a step in that direction. How you don’t see that is beyond any sense of logic. And of course there are some down sides but at least they are being addressed and sure as $h! at a faster rate than gasoline powered engines ever were. We’ve relied on the same old tech, while being beholden to the same dirty rules and dirty players (see the Middle East again) for more than a century now. Where is the progress in that?No one has denied the challenges that lay ahead for EVs. The difference is though is that negative has been acknowledged whereas you fail to acknowledge any positives from EVs, and they are there whether you want to admit it or now. Again, if you hate the facts, then maybe you should just stop commenting on the subject altogether and quit with the condescending remarks and insults while you’re at it. All that does is prove this fear. And BS to your “century of trying” remark as well. The tech simply was not ready or viable 100 years ago and it was hamstrung by incompetent companies (see the GM 1990s EV debacle as a prime example) and competing industries that sought to prevent its implementation (see the oil industry). Now though, every manufacturer is finally on board and real progress IS being made. Your attempt to paint this such a broad brush is laughably pathetic and ignorant to the facts, facts you continually refuse to acknowledge. Next time you want to call someone “skeeter”, you need to look in the damn mirror junior. Shhhhh @dfelt. Facts are hard for some folks. They might lash out at you for committing such heresy.

China’s protectionism is not the only reason why China has been successful of the trade front. Having the largest labor force in the world is a much bigger factor. Protectionism has proven to be a failure in this country is all I know and the 1930s prove that. China manages to get away with the policy because of many other factors. Remove even half of that labor force and it’s protectionism practices would simply self destruct, just like ours did in the 30s. There are other factors to this but the labor force size was the first to come to my mind. One positive thing we should take from China is reinvesting in ourselves, like fixing and upgrading our infrastructure. I fear, however, that infrastructure week has passed us by for now.

What you called “anti-Trump” posts, sensible folks call “pointing out facts”.

I’d like to add the sale of over $100,000,000 worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia, a “deal” orchestrated by the master negotiator and the same country committing atrocities in Yemen who pretends to be our “ally” but really isn’t (reference 9/11 and the recent murder of a Wash Po journalist as examples of this allied farce). Guess we will always have North Korea though right? Oh wait.

Yeah, you certainly proved everyone wrong there. ?

Quite simply an amazing song and even more amazing live. It was also lyrical perfection but in fairness, I have always been a huge Cornell fan. Chris Cornell “When I’m Down”

“Can’t handle” not “kind handle”. Thanks a lot autocorrect. Like you said, cry me a river. If the site owner were a Trump supporter, you’d be singing a vastly different tune. It’s also funny that you assume that those who “think” like you would share the same opinion as you regarding political discussion. I personally know plenty of Trump supporters who have no problem with it so maybe the problem is just you and your personal hang ups. And while you berate Warren (who I don’t care for at all) you would openly ignore all of Trump false representations of himself. Oh I agree but in the context of what I’m saying, it perfectly reflects the inability to have a open dialogue with said person who just bitches about not getting his fair shake on this site, politically speaking which quite frankly is a cop out.

And continuing to offer nothing of substance and supporting the narrative that some folks kind handle political discussion. Honestly blu, it’s pretty pathetic at this point yet also a pretty typical response since you have offered nothing here but snarky remarks and down votes because there are thoughts and words here that don’t line up with yours. Cry me a river indeed. And they call liberals “snowflakes”. I have no problem if someone is a Trump supporter. The problem is when they offer no real argument to defend their position or anything else that would reasonably explain his policies and actions. They come off as echo chambers or deflect to things like Hillary or Obama (a tactic already used by one Trump supporter here). Deflection is not debating or discussing and that is pretty much all Blu has offered on this thread. Might as well be talking about EVs at this point because it’s pretty much the same behavior.

Some people just seem to go out of their way to prove why politics can’t be discussed in any reasonable manner. Sad.

Fake post.

Even the cheapest Canyon puts that total at near $70K! Holy hell! I dig the performance but the price? Not so much.

All BS aside, I do like the color on that. It’s a very “Jeep” kind of color.

Well that’ll burn through some tires, the old fashioned way. Any mention of price?

Agreed. The Tahoe is so easy to drive for a vehicle it’s size. I imagine the new Expedition is even better given the recent accolades. That pic sums up my point very nicely. Okay, so you got all the kids in there but where does the stuff go (because that kind of kid hauling usually involves stuff hauling). I know I am just stating a personal preference and if someone wants the useless third row, it’s a free country. It’s just a half baked concept to me, that’s all.