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  1. surreal1272
    Why? Why does it matter to you? I just thought the details were important in the context of the entire conversation about quality, reliability, and lease terms that have been discussed here.
  2. surreal1272
    You should probably include the requirements next time. For reference, I put Cadillac’s below. There are pros and cons to both but the bigger point I was trying to make is that Cadillac are cheaper to maintain once the warranty is gone.
  3. surreal1272
    I agree. For a car that’s supposed to be E-Class size, it should not look like it has less trunk space than a Camaro. Cadillacs not the only one guilty of this but they should be the last one ever accused of having a small trunk.
  4. surreal1272
    Again, you are missing the point. My pointing out the lease was only part of it. Btw, you said (above) that there shouldn’t be a line at 100K because of repair costs but you said this last week regarding the CLS. “Completely agree. I actually just looked at Autotrader for them to see what they cost and you're still spending the better part of 20k for a pretty high mileage German car.. Not a situation I would like to be in for that amount of cash“ That pretty much supports my assertion about German cars and high mileage responsibilities. And sorry if I’m bouncing back and forth here. Had shoulder surgery last week and these painkillers are a bitch.
  5. surreal1272
    And that is where we will disagree and I’m going to leave it at that. I’ve just worked car sales in the past and am going by past experiences with customer expectations and the reality of owning German cars long term.
  6. surreal1272
    Your second paragraph is exactly what I’m trying to say. Benz quality is overrated and sells on brand cachet and even that is not all that great given the higher than average lease numbers. Without those lease numbers, SMK wouldn’t even have a leg to stand on in regards to sales numbers. More and more people do not want to own Benz and there are good reasons for that, reasons that some folks here choose to ignore because it’s easier to point out the flaws of everyone else. You are missing the point completely ccap. And you “seeing them” means nothing. I see far more used Caddy’s and Lincoln’s here than the Germans. Who’s right? It doesn’t matter. Fact is that most folks don’t want to own Luxury German cars long term nor do they want them with 100K+ miles in them for reasons already stated. It what would ultimately keep me away from a 1st CLS even though it’s my favorite Benz of the last twenty years.
  7. surreal1272
    Your second paragraph is exactly what I’m saying. Their quality is overrated as they sell on their brand cachet and don’t even do that very much given the higher than average lease numbers. No one wants to actually
  8. surreal1272
    Not even comparable when you factor in the reasons for such things.
  9. surreal1272
    Because it flies in the face of SMKs claim of quality and sales. Let me put it another way. Take away leases altogether. How would MBs numbers stack up vs Cadillac, for example, on just good old fashioned sales? Not very well if current lease numbers are any indicator. That’s mostly because everyone knows the maintenance hell that is Mercedes Benz. It’s not even debatable. For all of Caddy’s flaws, they are far cheaper to maintain than any German make and the Germans wouldn’t have the success they have had if it weren’t for those enticing leasing deals. Again, I’m not knocking the leasing aspect itself as I get why folks do it. However, it flies in the face of this supposed top notch quality of German cars.
  10. surreal1272
    Let me just save SMK some trouble. In 2016, 53% of Benz cars moved were leases (one of the highest btw) while Cadillac only had 41%. Now there are several reasons why Benz lease numbers are that high (with several good reasons already pointed out) but one the biggest reasons is no one wants to deal with Benz maintenance after three years or 50K miles. That is not a good reflection of quality or engineering where I come from but Benz fans want us to believe that Cadillacs plastics are bad while Benz plastics are good, meanwhile ignoring the larger costs of owning the “best or nothing at all” car that no one wants after three years so they just end up leasing them. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15347641/the-most-commonly-leased-car-brands-in-america-and-the-most-commonly-purchased/
  11. surreal1272
    I asked for a very good reason. Humor me with some actual stats. Not questioning those “benefits”. Just want some actual numbers from the Benz camp.
  12. surreal1272
    And that’s fine but some like to think that there is nothing cheap or subpar quality about Mercedes Benz when it is just not true.
  13. surreal1272
    You clearly did not watch the YouTube video posted above. If any GM car, much less a Cadillac, made noises like that just by pressing on various parts of the plastic, you would be non-stop in your criticism over said lack of quality. I’ve been in my fair share of German cars and I can attest to those squeak claims and plethora of plastic in all the wrong places. The design is made to look like its high quality and in some cases, does look better than most but it’s a front, a disguise for the squeaks that lie beneath it. Now answer me this, since we are on the subject of “one piece of the puzzle”. What percentage of Benz sales are actually leases? Cite the source. And that is my biggest gripe with the exterior of the CT5. Just lazy and unnecessary. Other than that though, it’s basic design is every bit as good as an E-Class (closest to its size) and certainly more modern and eye catching (think front three quarters here) than the rather boring and bulbous looking C-Class.
  14. surreal1272
    So quality equals sales now? Must be why the Escalade and the XT5 do so well versus the German competition. Oh wait, that might not fit your argument. I’ll go ahead and move that bar for you lol.
  15. surreal1272
    Nice deflection but your claim of not seeing what people are talking about in regards to MBs use of cheap plastics rings hollow and smells like classic fanboyism.
  16. surreal1272
    Then you don’t look very hard. One quick search on “Mercedes Benz C Class cheap plastics” yields plenty of results.
  17. surreal1272
    Never in a million years. Audi can keep that nonsense.
  18. surreal1272
    Even though I am also not a fan of the term “crossover coupe”, I technically fits and carries over from the sedan coupe trend that Benz started (for the most part) with the CLS. Now, regarding the Buick, it actually looks pretty sharp but until I see a production model (given GMs history of neutering nice designs like this), I will reserve judgment. Definitely some Blazer/Camaro cues on the front end, with a more polished look to it. Just my opinion. Much like the crossover coupe GLA?
  19. surreal1272
    Saw this for sale today for $17K. ‘65 Impala Wagon. Me likey lol.
  20. surreal1272
    Used to work up the road from there for years. These days I avoid that area. Too many idiot drivers and too much construction.
  21. surreal1272
    LMAO! I witnessed a few of those folks at Sands Chevrolet. I simply don’t get it but I guess 80 year old men need to get laid too.
  22. surreal1272
    I second that. I got a lot of time behind the wheel of them when I worked at a Chevy dealership last year. They are a pain to get in and out of (which is still better than trying to climb in or out of a Vette) but they do sit comfortably and I also had no more of a problem seeing out of one as any number of cars out there. Not even close. Those folks tend to go for the Corvette which is baffling given that my 46 year old ass has a hard time with entry and exit. To each their own I guess. I was under the impression that Alpha is on the way out. What would that leave for the Camaro if it’s gone?
  23. surreal1272
    Must mean a completely new one is in the pipeline since these are just appearance updates (save for the addition of the 10spd to the V6). Chevrolet needs to do something drastic with the Camaro or it might end up back in the grave like in ‘03.
  24. surreal1272
    I’m on the opposite side of the current design fence. I actually like the exterior design of the light duty models (especially after seeing quite a few in person) but the HD front end is just horrid to me. Where they really need to focus on is the Fisher Price interior that is being shamed by Ford and RAM.
  25. surreal1272
    There are a ton of options on that front, I’m sure, but hopefully whatever they decide to go with gets a better response than their current design language.
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