surreal1272

Agree on every front and thanks.

That one stung more than any other celebrity death for me, for multiple reasons. Even though he died by suicide, it was because of Lewys Body Dementia, which is what killed my dad four years ago. Nevermind the fact that William was and is still my all time favorite comedian.

A damn shame.

Simple would have been keeping the GL moniker instead of just adding one letter for the seemingly hell of it.

He doesn’t even have the model right. It’s the GLS580 (there is no longer a 550 model) which starts at just under $100K it does offer rear seat massagers as a $4500 option. Not sure where the MT article got the “segment first” for the Navigator from.

Exactly my point above but clearly he doesn't see the irony in his statement.

The damn near $200K gussied up GLS better have rear seat massagers and autonomous capabilities. Meanwhile, the less than $100K Navigator will have them both. If you don’t see the problem with your statement here, then I don’t know what else to tell you.

Where did he mention anywhere in his post about Rivian having a 5 ft bed? Again, you're trying to create a debate where there isn't one. I'm pretty sure he is aware of their bed length. Maybe it's you that should re-read his post. Yet that always seems to be your point of emphasis when touting the ability to "properly" haul a 4x8 ft sheet of plywood.

There's nothing to agree with here as you were trying to conflate my argument about GM interiors from the start because of one particular quote while ignoring the entire context of what I was saying to begin with.

The above quote I pulled suggests otherwise. You also, again, have to consider context. For all of their flaws, they were built with a purpose, which was mostly performance, while companies like Cadillac and Lincoln seemed to have no purpose at that time. It was a sad time for both companies.

That issue is not unique to just journalists. That has been proven in spades here.

@oldshurst442--Read this quote and tell me that wasn't criticism of European cars back then. Given how beloved the E30 is now, it's hard to believe that when the second-gen BMW 3-series launched, it was received with critical apathy. https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a28938639/what-to-buy-1987-1993-bmw-325i/ Sometimes we see only what we want to see because our bias won't let us see anything else. We also seem to forget the absolute $h! that was the 1980s domestic car market. The reason why the Europeans were getting praise at the time was because companies like Cadillac and Lincoln were producing utter garbage without any focus on things like performance (which was a focus for the Germans then, whether you want to admit it or not) during that time. Name one Cadillac or Lincoln that was being mentioned in the same breath as say, the first M3 or Benz AMG? Don't get me wrong. You could not give me ANYTHING from that era that didn't say "Buick GNX". The Germans, for all the praise heaped upon them at the time, were unreliable and notoriously temperamental. That again, does not change the fact that the domestics were even were in some regards. That is just a simple fact and we should be thankful that is no longer the case. End rant.

Which does not change my statement about GM interiors over that same period. I know European cars were s*** in that regard but this whole discussion started with the new interior of the upcoming Chevy Silverado. Not BMW. Not Mercedes. Not Audi. Not anything else. Just Chevy (and by extension, GM). Everything else mentioned afterwards was deflection and cherry picking like I was talking to SMK and I'm not taking that bait. Folks need to just settle down and pay attention what was actually said from the start instead of assuming intent halfway through said discussion. But it was still a fact to point out how far power has come over the last five decades. It's really that simple. If you're going to assume that everything is just negative thinking, then that's all you're going to get.

He also needs to consider that I am not just basing my argument from the opinions of journalists. He is also getting hung up on the one and only negative thing I've said about GM and that is their proven cheap looking interiors. I said what I said and I stand by it, end of story. At least GM finally had the good sense to recognize what damn near everyone else already knew. And it's not a "reflex reaction" @balthazar if they make pretty much the same basic criticism for the last thirty plus years.

It can be both and for different reasons. It is the truth that GM has lagged in the interior department for decades. It’s opinion to say a dash feels greasy. This is not a one or the other situation here.

I won’t lie. I would have been all over a 2nd gen Magnum but sadly, we live in America where the word “wagon” is apparently a naughty word.

They sure did and it almost turned me away from buying my Magnum. One test drive changed my mind though. You take the really good with the horrible Daimler cheapness bad.

Corrected.

I get what you are saying about reviews and such. However, I’m not just pulling one out of thin air to make my point. Over the last thirty years, GM has been rightfully dinged for lazy and cheap interiors. While the current pick ups showed improvement, they still lagged behind the other two. Again, this is not a debatable point when just about every review points this out. They are saying this for the hell of it or just get clicks. There is substance to it and there is truth to it whether you want to acknowledge that or not.

It’s called an opinion, nothing less nothing more.

And again @balthazar, don’t conflate my argument or feel like I’m dogging your truck. That not even close to the case. However, I am also not blind and while I have said that I would take the GM over the other two, the interior would not even fall under the top ten reasons for doing so. I owned a Dodge Magnum for eight years for the same reasons. The interior design and quality were not the reasons for it. It’s that simple.

Do get offended here. I merely provided one example of what was going on there. For the record, Ford was also hit harder last year from the chip shortage. Furthermore, not sure using the sales argument is a good idea either. That’s an SMK move. And the bottom line is that they were not competitive or else they would not have given it a wholesale redesign during a mid-cycle refresh.

True but the progress made by GM over the years has been outpaced by both Ford and RAM and that has been the core problem. This new one, however, should completely change that notion.

A snippet from a three way comparo that was done just three months ago. One of our test drivers described the Chevy's textured-plastic dash as "greasy and sweaty." Diehard Chevrolet fans could argue the pricier LTZ model would be a better match for the 2021 Ford F-150 Lariat and 2021 Ram 1500 Laramie we put it up against, but even the top-of-the-line Silverado High Country doesn't feel as upscale as the midlevel Ford and Ram we tested.

Then I will disagree with that because I’ve sat and driven all three (at one point). The GM design looked dated from the start and felt cheap compared to the other two and literally every review of it (that wasn’t from a pro-GM fan site) since then has backed this up. Again, I should state that I would still take the Chevy, for many reasons, over the other two but the interior was not one of those.