surreal1272

Wrong again, on the price. Again. research.

Tesla had no problem starting with the Model S SEDAN, that often crests over $100K, so I'm not sure price has any bearing here nor the type of car. Research is your friend.

I get that because, like I said, the looks will be subjective. I would like to see some different color combinations, inside and out, before I say for sure how I feel about it. What is not in doubt for me, is that the overall driving specs are better than the Model S and the interior is lights years better than it.

Since, believe it or not, this thread is about the competition vs Tesla I found a recent writeup on the Lucid Air Dream Edition. Yes, it carries a way high price but spec wise, it destroys the Tesla Model S on just about every metric that matters (that I can see) and makes the EQS look downright foolish overall (exception being the looks which will always be a subjective thing). The interior absolutely kills the Tesla and I see that they paid a little homage to Cadillac with that stretched screen design lol. On paper, at least, the Lucid is just top notch. Now let's see it out in the wild and see how it does. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-lucid-air-dream-edition-r-exclusive-first-drive-review/

Let me correct this for you, The Porsche 718 GT4 is about the same performance on a track as a C8 Z51 (which still uses a base 6.2L N/A V8 where as the GT4 is 114HP greater than a BASE model Cayman.) Just skip the last part of that article where they had issue with the $20K price difference while being basically neck and neck. Basically there Cayman had to be juiced (that extra 114 HP) to run with a BASE engine Vette. Guess by you bar moving BS logic, that the Cayman is better than the 911 (Vette won a similar comparo against the 911 in a MT review). You have literally missed the entire damn pint here because it flew in the face of your "anything but a lowly Chevy" argument. And do you honestly think they make equal pay? I have a bridge to sell you if you do.

Wrong again. The 718 package that runs with the BASE Vette is over $100K, runs the 0-60 in 4.2 seconds (as opposed to the Vette 2.9 second time). The entry line Cayman can't touch it. The BASE Vette does, however, run with a $122K BASE Porsche 911. And I quote, "With the Porsche, it takes only 2.9 seconds, but the Corvette needs just 2.8, making it the quickest factory Corvette to 60 mph in history. The advantage carries through the quarter, the Corvette trapping in 11.1 seconds at 123.2 mph and the 911 in 11.2 seconds at 124.3. And these are just the base versions of each car. What a time to be alive." Got anything else? What you have to bear in mind here is that the Vette does this in its FIRST YEAR as a mid-engine car against a car that has been that way for 60 years. I don't give a damn what you say but that is a huge accomplish, in and of itself, and again with a BASE MODEL. I look forward to seeing what the upcoming Z06 brings to the table in October and I have never been a huge Vette fan.

That's a BASE MODEL Vette, a repeated fact you keep ignoring. How does a BASE model M4 do (4.1 sec. 0-60 time)? How about that BASE model AMG GT (with its 4.8 sec. 0-60 time)? Get the entire F out of here if you can't grasp that simple little concept. Here's the kicker. What do the last two pages have to do with the thread subject?

Yeah, just skip the 150-170HP difference there because that wouldn't suit your ridiculous narrative.

Again, proving my point about apples to oranges. FFS

So 0-60 doesn’t matter now? Got it. Btw, my original post was not to be taken literally. I was being as silly as you were with your examples posted. The rest of your post is the same old, same old “just wait” because again, you have this problem with apples and oranges and like Balth said, it’s just a broken record at this point. And again, for more than double the price of the Vette, it damn sure better be faster. This is the type of apples to oranges nonsense to which I was referring.

And not ONE of those four pots get that power without hybrid assistance so it is, at least, a little bit about the cylinder count (especially given your past hype of the V12 from Benz) and all of them cost considerably more coin than the Vette. Just skip the fact that Z06 is about to be announced just over a month and will have more HP than all of those mentioned except the much more expensive AMG GT. The rumored EV Vette is another matter entirely so if you are going to bring up all the next upcoming Daimlers toys then make sure you are comparing them to the upcoming Vette toys as well. Otherwise, again, not even close to an apples to apples comparison here. Guess that makes the Tesla S one as well, since it smokes everything else (including a handful of supercars) from 0-60.

On those Mopars, the purple looks like it belongs. On many others though, it just looks like a tacky aftermarket job (like on every “Uber” car out there). It doesn’t go with everything, much how red doesn’t belong on just any car. Just my personal taste. About the SS, you’re missing one color.

I honestly wish there was a vomit emoji reaction for this. I guess this will have to do.?

How a proper two tone paint job is done.

Get one then and make sure to get back to us after about 30K miles of wear and tear on a 643 HP four pot. Apologies from you, at that point, will be expected. Corrected for accuracy. And for the billionth time, F a four banger in a Vette. Just stop that nonsense already.

Sure, if you like unreliable POSs.

Well then, it’s a little presumptuous to assume that the name is what brought the sales. If it’s a solid ride and looks good (inside and out), then naming them after a legendary nameplate like the Mustang is irrelevant. Ask Porsche about the Cayenne, as an example.

But would those Mach-E sales be any different if it were called something else?

Until we see an actual EV Vette, we won’t know for sure. In its current state though, it’s not possible.

Exactly and they had no problem moving them despite not carrying over that “branding”. Then that makes a Vette SUV an even more ridiculous idea since it is not mid-engine and that most certainly will not carry over to any SUV or CUV.

While I agree with the rest (and that is what I getting at), just a hard no on doing that to the Vette name.

Never said there was but it is the opposite of the reality right now. Again, when they go all EV, it may be a different story but it’s not going to happen with an ICE under the hood, no matter how much pipe dreaming that takes place.

Why? Everything is going EV with them anyway so there is little to no chance of a performance ICE based SUV/CUV. Maybe they go that route once the EV transition is complete but people wishing for it right now are just pipe dreaming IMO.

Doesn’t seem like you know either. I cannot think of a more contradictory term.

This should answer it. https://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/history/emblem.html