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Even when it was a brand it was still a stretched out rebadged S-Class. However, rebadging is only an issue for him when it suits his domestic bashing arguments.

@smk4565 And just skip the fact that Maybach was just a rebadged S Class.

Funny. You’ve never used that same criticism towards Audi and their rebadged VWs. Hell, even the Porsche Cayenne is a rebadged Touareg. You do understand that it also applies to your favorite maker right? Meanwhile, your favorite pushed out a jellybean low demand sedan before they even announced a much higher demand CUV or SUV.

Funny how you don’t use that same excuse regarding the MDX outselling the GLE. Fanboy logic, I guess. It’s really simple actually. Lincoln does not market them heavily enough against the foreign competition. It has more to do with that than it does “brand snobbery” (although that is a concern, as your endless slamming of domestics indicates).

Oh; no, no, no. Those other 8 SUVs "don't compete" with the 'glossed-over honda", you have very tight class divisions. It's MDX vs GLE. CLEARLY the Acura is better than the mercedes... because; sales Exactly my point but beware. More bar moving coming soon

Guess this also makes Lexus better than Mercedes since, once again, you have decided that volume matters. Just a damn joke at this point. Back to how this affects Tesla…

And only ONE midsize CUV which outsells the ONE midsize Mercedes CUV. FFS man. Just stop the damn excuses and accept that Mercedes does not win at everything. It would save a tone of space and waste here. And I quote (from one article). “Both luxury midsize SUVs offer great engine choices, awesome AWD configurations, and comfortable rides. The team at KBB favored the 2020 Acura MDX for its standard V6 engine, high reliability and resale value, and its lower price.” But of course the Mercedes fanboy thinks the Mercedes is better. What was that you said earlier about credibility?

It must truly truly suck to keep going back and forth between sales mattering and sales not mattering. He only said the product was competitive, with no mention of sales figures. A fact that he fails to point out because there is no way an Acura is better than a Mercedes in his fanboy eyes.

Cite your claim.

Suuuure you are, now that you realize that they sell in that high of a percentage under $50K. You have fought that notion, tooth and nail for years now but again, you have that bar to move so… So they are, in fact, a volume brand now (yet another notion that you have fought for years)? Which shows that people are dumb to buy an overpriced CUV with Lincoln inspired derivative exterior design. Noticed you have no counter for that rather lazy design on such a pricey EV just because it says “Maybach”. Honestly, it is pretty laughable right now.

They don’t have YOUR credibility and clearly you don’t count since you have made it abundantly clear that it’s German or nothing even when the German garbage. It clearly matters to you because you have repeatedly touted their high ATPs even when it’s not, relative to the competition. Just skip the part where the $145K models represent probably less than 1% of their overall sales. It CLEARLY matters to you. Stop pretending otherwise.

And that’s my point. They are direct competitors while being vastly different in size and price range, which runs counter to his little narrative that the EQS should not be compared to the Tesla Model S for those very same reasons. It should be noted that the Slade is four inches wider than the GLS.

Probably a little bit of both.

Again let me correct this for you German auto fan. “All the foreign AND domestics will have big line ups of EV’s” Because, as I’m sure you are aware, the Germans are not the only ones with multiple EVs coming out.

See my above response and rethink your statement. Wasn’t it you that was touting the near $130K Model S Plaid not so long ago?

Guess by his length logic, that the GLS and Cadillac Escalade ESV are vastly different lengths. Escalade (regular wheelbase)-211” Escalade ESV-227” GLS-204-206” See where this is going yet @smk4565 or is it just too hard to admit you were mistaken?

Exactly. Bar moving 101.

And again, the Maybach is vaporware while the Hummer is actually real at this point and will be far more off-road capable than that gussied up Benz. Again, apples to off road oranges. And regarding the Maybach concept EV, Lincoln called. They want their 2015 MKX back. While I am sure the interior will be pure luxury (better be for its price), that exterior is derivative s*** and not even the biggest Benz fanboy will convince me otherwise.

Worse, all the EQE proves on the outside, is that Benz is perfectly capable of designing a slightly uglier Toyota Corolla. The front fender panels are an utter disaster as well but hey, the "best or nothing" lol! First off. You are wrong. Publications sure have no problem comparing the EQS to the Model S. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-mercedes-benz-eqs-vs-tesla-model-s-specs/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2021/04/16/can-mercedess-eqs-really-challenge-teslas-model-s/?sh=395aaafd78db Care to explain why even Mercedes Blog is comparing the two? https://mercedesblog.com/first-comparison-mercedes-eqs-vs-tesla-model-s/ And let me correct one sentence for you. You said, "5 new EV’s in one day, plus a promise of EQE and EQS SUVs for next year." They did not release five new EVs in day. They merely announced, or promised, five new EVs. Stop the pointless hyperbole and hype already.

Now what we really have to ask ourselves is "What does yet another endless back forth worth of BS with the Mercedes fanboy have anything to do with the ACTUAL subject of the thread?".

When you opt for the lowest volume selling Maybach model, then sure, big price difference. But again, that is not even close to their average volume for that model. Meanwhile, I check the local Benz dealership near me versus the nearby GMC. I see similarly priced models on both lots. That is the point you are sorely missing here. Even on the full size GLS, the bulk of models available are closer to the base price than anything else, same as everyone else and most what was available was the same relative price as the Denali model Yukon’s. Meanwhile, the Yukon sells far more than the Benz so there’s that bar for you to move later as well. Mercedes is not unique and they are not the best for it. It’s that simple. https://www.mbusa.com/en/inventory/Mercedes-Benz-of-Greensboro/59104?sortClass=price-high-to-low&class=GLS:SUV

Just stop. This is yet another broken record post of yours where you completely ignore what was said (by literally everyone else), move the bar, and create another set of rules that reflects your fanboy love. Example? Yes it’s easy for that FWD CLA to cross $50K ONLINE. However, the fact remains that it STARTS $12K under that and I have shown where there are quite a few sub-$50K cars of several Benz models (not showing some pointless custom online order to juice the price like you just did). The Benz dealership near me only has two CLAs on the lot and they are BOTH $48K and reasonably equipped which is what most folks in that price range look for. Stop acting like Benz did not stoop down to the lower market because they’ve been doing for years unless you want to forget that, not long ago, the CLA was advertised as “starting under $30K” before the A Class replaced it as the cheaper model. Again, you refer to sales breakdown posted the other day before you bring up anything else to the contrary. Wouldn’t want your arms to get tired from more bar moving.

Fair enough, if you want to do that but I'm going to stick with my 40% mark.

5 out of the 11 at this Benz dealership in Durham NC (near me) are all on the lot and priced under $50K https://www.mercedesbenzofdurham.com/inventory/new/mercedes-benz-north-carolina.htm?campaignid=10679770509&adgroupid=105717417256&creative=452271233504&matchtype=e&network=g&device=c&keyword=mercedes dealer near me&gclid=CjwKCAjwj8eJBhA5EiwAg3z0m3F_VH42OuOzi_zMWMBnbhUllXrJS6gvWyH8y5g4ky1si9zYi35bAxoC--4QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&model=GLC Just saying that the number is probably closer to 40% than 20%.

You skipped their van sales, which were a combined 50K units for 2020 and most of those sell under $50K. Also, when 67% of their "sales" are actually leases, I'm not entirely sure the ATP argument even holds water here. Just my opinion. BTW, the GLC starts at $44K.