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True. SuperScope produced these and while they are not technically “high end”, they do the job that is asked of them. Getting them for a steal was merely a bonus lol.

(Does his best Tim Allen "grunt") Same but yes, the prices are just obscene. On a side note, I did find a pair of old school Sony floor speakers at a thrift store (about seven months ago) for $16 (for the pair). They work flawlessly so I put them with my semi-old school setup in my workshop. Notice where they are made. Didn't know Sony ever even made anything here until I did a little research. It was back in the 70s when Sony was just getting into the US market and they used a company called SuperScope to build and distribute these speakers (SuperScope also made cassette decks and other gear for Marantz at that time). The speakers are noting fancy but they sound pretty damn good and you can't find these cheaper than $250 (with shipping) on Ebay. That's a "win" for me.

He only said that BOTH (at the same time) should not be allowed. Clear distinction there. Hell, if a I buy a $50K home theater system from an electronics store, they don’t slap their store stickers on the receiver and speakers. Only car dealerships think they are that special.

Here’s something to consider as well. Will Ferrari still be making those kind of profit margins when they go EV? Not likely. Also, this whole conversation got sidetracked by a certain someone bringing up Ferrari in the first place. Here’s what needs to be considered. Large profits or not, it doesn’t change the fact that the Vette competes with the like of Porsche and even some Ferraris. It has been like that for a while, as a matter of fact. With the Vette going mid-engine, those slight gaps in performance between it and the rolling fire traps have closed and that is just with a BASE ENGINE VETTE. That is something brand cachet snobs need to consider before acting like only a silly name matters.

Posted that very link yesterday and my original statement stands about a fool and his money parting for a rolling firetrap.

Again, a concept he can’t seem to grasp.

It also never occurred to him that folks might prefer the Vette over the Porsche because the Porsche is overpriced nonsense and their savings can go to better things in life. You can buy the Vette and a fully loaded pickup (for the non-Vette stuff lol) and still undercut a 911 that will at least give you power seats (the base $129K 911 doesn’t even include them). Point here is clearly pandering to brand cachet does indicate being smarter or better than non-cachet folks.

He did say that the Ferrari was $160K more, not that it was $160K. And they do make a killing on them apparently but all that shows me is that are fools who love parting with their money on a rolling fire trap. https://luxurylaunches.com/transport/ferrari-made-a-staggering-95000-of-profit-on-each-car-it-sold-in-2019.php

On that part, I agree 100%. If it is serving you well and its paid off, why fix what isn't broken.

Not the right gen Benz. Here is his gen. (2008) but yeah, somehow better than a CT6 interior. But until then, vaporware. Only to brand snobs but you can't say that people won't go for a Vette vs a Porsche 718, on one hand, and then basically imply that it doesn't compete at all because it's a Chevy (that outperforms the 718 and a 911 in most circles) not he other. Again, you are putting too much stock into this brand image thing.

No. That’s what their CUVs are for. Besides, the 718 sells in FEWER numbers than the 911. @smk4565- What year is your Benz?

And that is where you fail. Porsche should be ashamed that a $90k Vette has a better interior and comparable performance than their base $129K 911. What does that say about Porsches “image”. The image I’m getting is one that’s overpriced.

You clearly did not read the whole article. No. You said the Vette shouldn’t be compared to the 911 when that is the Porsche it has ALWAYS been compared to. It should be noted that the Vette was called more luxurious than the $40K higher price 911. Maybe you don’t but most buyers certainly do compare them. That is just a dumb assumption on your part.

Corrected in bold.

Must be why auto publications constantly compare the Vette against the 911, like type does for half a century. BTW, this particular Vette was faster to 0-60 than the 911. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-vs-2020-porsche-911-comparison-test-review/ Make sure you pay attention to this part about the interiors of the two since you are so certain that the 911 is superior. "It's just one of the ways in which the Corvette's cabin is nicer than the 911's, a sentence we feared we'd never get to write. The Corvette's notoriously cheap materials, gaping panel gaps, and persistent smell of glue have all been banished—and this was in an early-build car, no less. The previous Corvette generation showed us Chevrolet could afford to give the car both performance and a nice interior, but the C8 has skipped straight past nice and into proper supercar territory. The leather is the best we've seen and felt in a Corvette by a wide margin, there's no cheap-looking hard plastic anywhere (well … the cupholders are a bit of a wince), and the seats (midgrade GT2s, in this case) strike a balance between comfort and lateral support that even some supercar builders don't get right. Granted, our Corvette was a top-shelf 3LT trim level with the best interior you can yet buy for the car, but you can do that when the as-tested price is a Silverado less than the 911—which had zero interior dress-up options, at that. Sure, Porsche will wrap the air vent blades in leather if you put enough zeroes on the check, but out of the box, it's a stark field of dark grays and blacks all finished in varying grades of plastic and piano black. Our Carrera didn't even have power seats" So yes, you can have a nicer interior in the 911, if you want to pay thousands for each little bit that makes it that way.

What he has been told since day one when Tesla announced the wedge on wheels. Yet that hasn't stopped you from constantly pointing out 0-60 times whenever it suits you. Ummm, are you sure about that Mercedes fan?

A perfect example of the bizarro world that is known as the used car market. This my Flex right now, private party value. I paid $12,500 for it 18 months ago.

That graph takes some translating but from what I’ve seen from multiple articles on this is that the biggest issue with EV vs. ICE is the up front cost, ie EVs cost more to buy. Aside from that, there is no comparison when it comes to maintenance costs (again, Tesla’s stupid prices not withstanding).

Good thing they are no longer the only EV player in town because their constant price jumps are just dumb beyond words.

And diehard ICE fans do the same thing from the other side. Not exactly a convincing argument. That ccap article also covers the issue with Tesla, that does not exist with the mainstream competition like GM and Ford. By all means though, ignore that elephant in the room though. "And, since Tesla owns all of its service centers and maintains tight control over its parts, there are fewer options to shop around for service in cases like these than for most other cars." The simple solution there are 3rd party options and service, just like with ICE. I would also like to see this chart you quote from David as I can't seem to find it. @David?

So, in other words, because ALL of Tesla smokes Benz in the 0-60 realm, it's the much higher priced (than Tesla) AMG that will compete with Tesla in the speed category. Again, interesting excuses given here.

But according to you, those kind of 0-60 numbers aren't good enough for everyone else so thanks for confirming the exception being Benz because there is "going to be" a supposed faster version. BTW, it is not jouster the Plaid S that dusts that Benz. It's pretty much every trim of the Model S doing that (they all do better than 3 seconds). Just interesting to see the excuses granted to one but not the other.

@David I will say this. Performance aside, most reviews spoke highly of the luxury component and the interior of the EQS but as a luxury maker, that's the way a Benz should be. It's downfall is less than stellar performance numbers (again, we have heard non-stop crowing about Tesla's 0-60 numbers as the be all, end all so let's see if it's a big deal for a $100K Benz) and looking like a ten year old jellybean from VW.

A snippet from recent MT article about the Mercedes Benz EQS. "The EQS580's dual motors combine for 516 hp and 631 lb-ft of torque—with the rear motor being the same 329-hp, 419-lb-ft unit used in the EQS450+—and Mercedes says it'll reach 60 mph in 4.1 seconds. That's quick for something so large, but that 4.1 seconds is nearly twice as long as it'll take a Tesla Model S Plaid to reach the same speed. The EQS450+ moves more deliberately still, needing a claimed 5.9 seconds to reach 60." So, are 0-60 times still important? Asking for a friend who insists that Tesla's 0-60 times are what makes them so great. Source: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-mercedes-benz-eqs-electric-luxury-car-first-drive-review/

I’m guessing you are figuring if you mention it enough times, they’ll actually produce the damn thing? Oh and for $2.7 million, it better the fastest on the ring. God forbid a just over $100K Vette (from an economy car company, according to you) make it sweat lol.