surreal1272

Thanks for not disappointing me with the bar moving. In any other comparison with Tesla, you constantly point out 0-60 but when I show you that a base model Vette runs the EXACT same damn time as the Ferrari 296GTB, you change the criteria yet again. Just stop this non-sense already. And neither the Ghibli or Alfa can touch the Vette so thanks for proving my point about what you get for $100K from Italy lol. With the future plans for EVs, that could be a possibility although not entirely necessary.

And you are conflating his argument and putting words in his mouth. And I have already shown you where the Vette runs neck and neck with one Exotic (The 296 GTB) while being DOWN 300HP. (identical 0-60 time, for example). And GM doesn't need build a $300K car when their $100K car already punches the big boys in the mouth with just their BASE MODEL VETTE (a fact you are clearly ignoring here). What happens when the Z06 or ZR1 (with a possible EV connection) comes out? What will you long list of excuses be then? BTW, that $300K Ferrari is really a $200K Ferrari but we will just skip that little fact too. I mean, it should be more pressing to you that GM can get as much performance out of a $100K car than companies like Ferrari can get out of $300K car. Like Olds said, what would you get from Ferrari for $100K? Go ahead and answer that one before moving that bar of yours again.

All those words yet you ignored the core parts of the argument. Like Benz, that name really doesn’t mean Jack when it gets run down by “lowly” Chevrolets (unless they’re seven figure vaporware cars).

You're right. It's lighter, it has 300 more HP, costs $200K more than a Vette, yet runs the same 0-60 time (2.9 seconds) and a dam near 1.4 mile so what exactly is the point of the weight savings, the CF panels, and the 300 extra ponies? Oh yeah, that name that runs side by side with a sub-$100K Chevrolet. In other words, outside of the name you value so much, it offers no real upsell over the Vette unless you just really really love putting out engine fires. I wouldn't trust Ferrari with a D cell battery much less an entire EV. And there is no way in hell that Ferrari can make a sub 4,000lb. EV without massive compromises.

30 years ago, I might have felt different but my current design tastes just do not jive with what Ferrari is offering. Okay so that might taking it a bit far.

See, I just don't see that "beauty". I'm with Balth. That "beauty" is a mess several different design cues going on with most of their cars these days. Just way over done and no real cohesion to me.

Still a mess but to be honest, I have never been crazy about any Ferrari in the last 40 years and even if I had the dough, I wouldn't buy one because I don't want to invest in cases of fire extinguishers.

Same.

True. SuperScope produced these and while they are not technically “high end”, they do the job that is asked of them. Getting them for a steal was merely a bonus lol.

(Does his best Tim Allen "grunt") Same but yes, the prices are just obscene. On a side note, I did find a pair of old school Sony floor speakers at a thrift store (about seven months ago) for $16 (for the pair). They work flawlessly so I put them with my semi-old school setup in my workshop. Notice where they are made. Didn't know Sony ever even made anything here until I did a little research. It was back in the 70s when Sony was just getting into the US market and they used a company called SuperScope to build and distribute these speakers (SuperScope also made cassette decks and other gear for Marantz at that time). The speakers are noting fancy but they sound pretty damn good and you can't find these cheaper than $250 (with shipping) on Ebay. That's a "win" for me.

He only said that BOTH (at the same time) should not be allowed. Clear distinction there. Hell, if a I buy a $50K home theater system from an electronics store, they don’t slap their store stickers on the receiver and speakers. Only car dealerships think they are that special.

Here’s something to consider as well. Will Ferrari still be making those kind of profit margins when they go EV? Not likely. Also, this whole conversation got sidetracked by a certain someone bringing up Ferrari in the first place. Here’s what needs to be considered. Large profits or not, it doesn’t change the fact that the Vette competes with the like of Porsche and even some Ferraris. It has been like that for a while, as a matter of fact. With the Vette going mid-engine, those slight gaps in performance between it and the rolling fire traps have closed and that is just with a BASE ENGINE VETTE. That is something brand cachet snobs need to consider before acting like only a silly name matters.

Posted that very link yesterday and my original statement stands about a fool and his money parting for a rolling firetrap.

Again, a concept he can’t seem to grasp.

It also never occurred to him that folks might prefer the Vette over the Porsche because the Porsche is overpriced nonsense and their savings can go to better things in life. You can buy the Vette and a fully loaded pickup (for the non-Vette stuff lol) and still undercut a 911 that will at least give you power seats (the base $129K 911 doesn’t even include them). Point here is clearly pandering to brand cachet does indicate being smarter or better than non-cachet folks.

He did say that the Ferrari was $160K more, not that it was $160K. And they do make a killing on them apparently but all that shows me is that are fools who love parting with their money on a rolling fire trap. https://luxurylaunches.com/transport/ferrari-made-a-staggering-95000-of-profit-on-each-car-it-sold-in-2019.php

On that part, I agree 100%. If it is serving you well and its paid off, why fix what isn't broken.

Not the right gen Benz. Here is his gen. (2008) but yeah, somehow better than a CT6 interior. But until then, vaporware. Only to brand snobs but you can't say that people won't go for a Vette vs a Porsche 718, on one hand, and then basically imply that it doesn't compete at all because it's a Chevy (that outperforms the 718 and a 911 in most circles) not he other. Again, you are putting too much stock into this brand image thing.

No. That’s what their CUVs are for. Besides, the 718 sells in FEWER numbers than the 911. @smk4565- What year is your Benz?

And that is where you fail. Porsche should be ashamed that a $90k Vette has a better interior and comparable performance than their base $129K 911. What does that say about Porsches “image”. The image I’m getting is one that’s overpriced.

You clearly did not read the whole article. No. You said the Vette shouldn’t be compared to the 911 when that is the Porsche it has ALWAYS been compared to. It should be noted that the Vette was called more luxurious than the $40K higher price 911. Maybe you don’t but most buyers certainly do compare them. That is just a dumb assumption on your part.

Corrected in bold.

Must be why auto publications constantly compare the Vette against the 911, like type does for half a century. BTW, this particular Vette was faster to 0-60 than the 911. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-vs-2020-porsche-911-comparison-test-review/ Make sure you pay attention to this part about the interiors of the two since you are so certain that the 911 is superior. "It's just one of the ways in which the Corvette's cabin is nicer than the 911's, a sentence we feared we'd never get to write. The Corvette's notoriously cheap materials, gaping panel gaps, and persistent smell of glue have all been banished—and this was in an early-build car, no less. The previous Corvette generation showed us Chevrolet could afford to give the car both performance and a nice interior, but the C8 has skipped straight past nice and into proper supercar territory. The leather is the best we've seen and felt in a Corvette by a wide margin, there's no cheap-looking hard plastic anywhere (well … the cupholders are a bit of a wince), and the seats (midgrade GT2s, in this case) strike a balance between comfort and lateral support that even some supercar builders don't get right. Granted, our Corvette was a top-shelf 3LT trim level with the best interior you can yet buy for the car, but you can do that when the as-tested price is a Silverado less than the 911—which had zero interior dress-up options, at that. Sure, Porsche will wrap the air vent blades in leather if you put enough zeroes on the check, but out of the box, it's a stark field of dark grays and blacks all finished in varying grades of plastic and piano black. Our Carrera didn't even have power seats" So yes, you can have a nicer interior in the 911, if you want to pay thousands for each little bit that makes it that way.

What he has been told since day one when Tesla announced the wedge on wheels. Yet that hasn't stopped you from constantly pointing out 0-60 times whenever it suits you. Ummm, are you sure about that Mercedes fan?

A perfect example of the bizarro world that is known as the used car market. This my Flex right now, private party value. I paid $12,500 for it 18 months ago.