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And 90% of those 3rd rows mentioned are less than useless for anything larger than a human skull. My Flex has better 3rd row accommodations than most of those although anyone taller than 5'7" is going to find it tight back there. I should also mention that I did not buy my Flex with the 3rd row in mind. I bought it because it has a crap ton of cargo room for its size, which is why most folks by the ones you mentioned above, more often than not. Attaching 3rd rows to these smaller CUVs like the Highlander is a pure marketing gimmick. It should be further noted that I scratched out the mini-vans you mentioned because A.) We are talking about CUVs/SUVs and B.) Given the mini-van market overall sales decline over the last twenty years, it pretty much kills your 3rd row demand argument where those are concerned. Now I get that slashes figures dropped because of shifting demands towards CUVs but ask anyone with those SUVs and CUVs which one is better suited to 3rd row usage. It sure as hell isn't CUVs and SUVs. Because the Slade has a boxier and taller shape for larger accommodations. CUVs with sloped roofs should not have 3rd row seats at all for reasons already mentioned. That covers more than half of the CUVs you mentioned above. Again though, marketing gimmicks sell.

See Balths response regarding 3rd row usage. I also mentioned nothing about wheelbase so maybe you include the quote of the person who mentioned it.

But “production” does not equal “production trim” being that the Lyriq is not actually in production yet. Semantics, I know but here we are. Deflection and it does not change the facts that Balth mentioned.

Which is all you had to say to begin with as opposed to making these endless assumptions about something you haven’t even personally seen much less sat in and driven.

AMG and Maybach versions of that jellybean shaped turd just means more expensive versions of the same jellybean shaped turd. Again, a CUV should have been their first EV, not a bland (on the outside) lower demand (since it’s not a CUV) sedan (an argument you have used against the competition for the last four years or so). The fact that you are trying to prop it up on its “largest screen” (ie more distracting) is very telling here. For the 99th time, Oldsmobile beat Daimler to the 4-door coupe punch almost a decade prior to the CLS. Just stop it already.

Why does it matter? Maybe the downvotes have to do with the “logic” itself more so than anything else. And yes, while looks are subjective, some things are obvious like trying to say that the 1st Gen CTS is the best looking CTS.? That thing is hideous and that has nothing to do with “beauty being in the eye of the beholder”. That is a $100K Mercedes that looks something that is a cross between the last gen Sebring and a 99 Intrepid. It does not scream luxury from the outside at all. And here I thought Benz was done with Chrysler/Dodge lol.

And skipping the fact that if we were talking about Cadillac putting out an EV sedan before they released a EV CUV, we would be hearing about how Cadillac dropped the ball by releasing an EV for the low demand sedan market and not putting out a CUV/SUV first. Also skip the fact that one would be paying $100K+ for a Mercedes interior underneath a VW CC skin when they get an EQS.

You and you alone feel that way. Everyone else with eyes knows better. Sorry. Both of those were parts bin specials on the inside and XLR was only nominally better looking than the first gen CTS on the outside, which was all slab and block while the 2nd gen cleaned all that up and actually has a far cleaner look to it, which is what you were touting above when you were making up excuses for the lazy exterior design of the EQS.

The 1st gen block shaped CTS? Seriously? Gen 2 was far and away design wise and it had a much cleaner look. You don’t even know which gen you’re trying to prop up here. 1st Gen 2nd Gen I mean, I know only come out to troll when it’s about a Cadillac but maybe you should just sit this one out. For you @smk4565, since you claim that Benz designs always go from concept to production like hot butter. https://www.motortrend.com/news/mercedes-vision-eqs-ev-design/

The CUVs are vaporware and that’s what I’m talking about. The EQS is pure bore on the outside but I guess if you like the look of a 2015 Volkswagen CC, that’s fine but at an expected $100K price tag, I expect a little more in the way of distinction on the outside. And yes, for more than $100K, the S-Class is boring as hell on the outside. Sorry, but this cannot be unseen once it is seen. 2022 S-Class 2019 Genesis G90 2019 Genesis G70 No doubt the Benz has a nice interior, as it should. However, the exterior is boring $h! and if you have to put a two tone paint job on it to make it look better, then it proves me right.

You mean that vaporware we’ve been hearing about for years now? Yet it looks like a lesser priced Genesis on the outside. Much like the EQS, the S-Class is just boring on the outside.

Looks far better as a CUV than the EQS does as a sedan.

You clearly have never had: A.)-Bad knees since you were 19 (thanks football) and B.)-Biked in a place like Prescott, AZ which 5500 ft above sea level and full of hills And this is from a former avid bike rider who loved his 21 speed Trek but those hills were murder on my knees when I lived in Prescott, even in the "easiest" gear. Literally wrong on all fronts. I've riden E-Bikes (in Arizona) and find them quite helpful while providing that good cardio. Do not assume someones condition based off of their need for an E-Bike.

Like those of us with horrible knees that still enjoy riding a bike. Yeah, those 3 bangers are something to behold for sure. ?

It actually is pretty sharp and shows that Cadillac is capable of putting out something a little more "daring" in design. And even though I know they are purely frivolous, I really dig the led sequential patterns going on with it.

Saw this on another site and its analysis (if you will) is spot on. The Benz EQS went from beautiful concept to a gloried 2000 Dodge Intrepid on the outside. It was a bean counters wet dream, by the looks of it. https://www.motortrend.com/news/mercedes-vision-eqs-ev-design/ Meanwhile Cadillac did the EXACT opposite and kept true to their concept with the Lyriq. The luxury and EV community and their respective buyers should take note of these events. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2023-cadillac-lyriq-first-look-review/ Yes because I'm sure pulling out of a race early never happened to ICE vehicles when they first started racing like this. Last time I checked, professional drivers still run out of gas on the track so...

Bizarre? The word we are looking for here is "Horses***". Carolina squat and the Cali lean. Saw way too many in Arizona and I've seen few here as well. Just dumb beyond words to spend money to ruin a perfectly good pick up.

Because, you know, people who buy Pick ups buy them for hauling stuff lol. Good thing they have a bed longer than four feet with which to drag their asses on the street.

That is still one sharp looking ride. Hopefully it has served you well.

Easy solution. Use that quick release lever on the front wheel of the bike (like most folks with common sense do) and take the damn thing off, all with without tools. Same you would have to do in most SUVs. Me, right now, reading the same old, same old. And for considerable more money. A better solution than tarps, for sure, but I have used those for years and still end up with some cleanup in the car (depending on what I'm hauling of course). It happens and if it was being hauled in the back of a Santa Cruz, I would have no need for the rubber cargo mat and I'm not worried about any spillage.

And READ my post. *On one hand you say and SUV like your friends Infiniti is perfectly fine for hauling stuff because all you need is a tarp and a vacuum. *On the other hand you say that this cannot be done with a Suburban for a different set of reasons. If you don't the issue I have here, then perhaps we need to move on from this because we are not going to see eye to eye here if you don't that issue. Again, vehicles like the Hyundai Santa Cruz do have multiple uses for multiple types of people. You just happen to not be one of them but you were never interested to begin with. I, on the other hand, am very interested in it and that bed length is the LEAST of my worries.

So while a tarp for your friends Infinite was okay, is not okay for a Suburban? That makes zero sense and that is the double talk I was talking about here. What you just said about the Suburban can be applied to the Infiniti and it actually makes a case for the Hyundai in the process. Again, being hung up on the bed size caused this.

Everything else (and a buttload of excuses by you) aside, I do find it amusing how you think bags of mulch don’t gets holes in them and leak everywhere like they tend to do. Quite frankly you have tried to play it both ways by touting Full size trucks on one hand while trying to say that SUVs are better suited for light work (they are not in this case) than the Santa Cruz while ignoring the fact that the SUV argument applies to full size trucks. This all started because of your “problem” with bed size which, quite honestly, seems to be your problem and your problem alone here but not everyone sees it as a problem and the positives have been pointed out in spades. And I live in NC and have ZERO use for a snow blower. Thanks for playing though Balth but please don’t try and act like gas spillage inside a vehicle isn’t a issue (it is). Whether someone goes electric or not is 100% irrelevant and you are deflecting with that statement. And again, all of those efforts your Infiniti boy makes to accommodate loads in his SUV could by 99.9% mitigated and simplified by just having a small bed with which to carry those things without the follow up cleaning and tarp shaking lol. Seriously, stop trying to equate your needs with others here (or dropping your “friend” as an example that actually supported the need for something like the Hyundai).

-So we are back to pick ups, not SUVs? I say that because you sure are not hauling 4x8 plywood in most if not any SUV. BTW, with the tail gate down, the Santa Cruz gains two more feet back there, putting it pretty close to a short bed full size pick up. From an article regarding the tailgate. "The bed is also 4 feet wide, designed specifically to be wide enough to carry home sheets of plywood from the big box store. That plywood rests on molded-in ledges above the wheelwells, and the tailgate can be adjusted to a half-open position level with the ledges to support the end of the plywood hanging out the back." Making it pretty damn useful for 95% of the population. -Oh sure. Take the plastic tarp in and out when ever you think you'll need it while still having to vacuum your SUV of the dirt that will still find its way to other parts of said car (to say NOTHING of the smell of said mulch). Now, I throw few hundred pounds in the back of the Santa Fe and all I have to do afterwards is hose it down. Sorry but you can't tout pick ups on one hand and then $h! on them with the other when bringing up SUVs. -And you go right on ahead and lay that fridge down in any SUV and wait 24-48 hours before you can plug in said fridge because of the freon. Me? I prefer to bring it home and plug it right away. Again, you are picking and choosing between full size pick ups and SUVs whenever it suits your argument. To a point, a full size SUV can do 98% of the stuff your HD can do yet we are not on here touting it over the other because the HD suits YOUR needs. See the problem her yet? BTW, don't even have to fold the handles down on the lawn mower or the snow blower to get it in the car or SUV and I don't have to worry about fuel/fluid spillage INSIDE may car or SUV. -And of course its not competing with mid-size pick ups because it is not one itself. Not sure what argument you're trying to make here. One last thing. Two weeks ago, I picked up a used duo grill (gas and charcoal) that was fully put together. As such, it was not going to fit inside my Flex without damaging the inside walls of the car (even with a tarp). Instead, I had to borrow a trailer to haul it. Now, if I had the Hyundai, it would have fit perfectly in the back standing upright, no fuss and no trailer or tarp needed. You have to stop seeing it like there isn't a use for one of these just because you wouldn't have a use for one.

So if I go pick up a five or six foot tall tree from Home Depot, I can just stand it up in that same SUV right? No I can’t hence why something like the Hyundai is more useful than you think. Again, bed length is irrelevant if we are talking about the height of certain things that get hauled. Cargo room in an SUV is irrelevant when you are talking about things that are clearly too tall for it. What if I need to pick up a refrigerator? That old Infiniti sure as hell can’t get involved at that point. The Hyundai could though so maybe stop focusing on that bed length like it is the be all to end all because it isn’t. By your SUV logic, a Suburban could do 97% of that work (seats down and all) so why does anyone need a pick up to begin with?