surreal1272

As a someone who grew up in a three row full size Chevy van, I can tell you for a fact that there is no amount of separation that kept me and sister from tormenting each other. Anyone with more than three kids should be considering a minivan IMO. There are even two now with AWD, making them as versatile as any CUV while providing tons more space.

I swear @smk4565 must have a notification that alerts him when there is any article regarding Cadillac because he only pops in here to troll anything to do with Cadillac because I guess when you have a 13 year old Benz, you have to stand up for it even when the rationale being used is an utter crock of $h!.

And that is a crock and you know it. The two are nothing alike other than sharing a price. Just stop it already. The Lyriq is night and day better looking inside and out, than the XT6 and will probably run circle around it, performance wise. You can’t even pretend that won’t happen.

Can you share this crystal ball with the rest of the class? And I second Balthazar’s response about the XT5.

If they’re not intended as family haulers, then why the four doors?

Did you even read what I said or do you just normally make up scenarios where it means nothing? I provided you with actual data, via a link, of the top 25 selling vehicles. Go back and actually read that before making another snippy reply. You totally sidestep the fact that most buy those particular CUVs because of their, not because they wanted a barely usable rarely used 3rd row seat. Understand it yet? Again, I provided some actual data backing up my claim. You cannot say the same. That’s the difference here.

Ease up there. I knew what you were saying. I just decided to run with and expand the use of said sarcasm.

It should be noted that the Slade has always had 3rd row but the Tahoe did not during its 1st gen run. That is what I referring to. Either way, it does mean that was the reason for those being purchased.

The key party of that is the word "almost" as in "almost three feet short of supporting a 3rd row" lol. As roomy as some full size trucks are back there, there is not a chance in hell of squeezing a 3rd row in that same space, not even close.

I can't speak for pick ups but we did at least have three row station wagons back in the day. Equally useless jumper or short bench seats back there, but they had them lol. Of course, if we had 3 row pick ups, then there would only be room for a four foot bed back there and we all know that we can't have that lol.

Below is a pic of my knees and the back of the second row. There is an inch to spare if I sit completely upright and there is about an inch of head room left before I start scraping the headliner. Now imagine that scenario in any sloping roof CUV that is smaller than mine (a new Highlander is 4" shorter than mine with the 3 row option and a 2015 Tahoe is only 3" longer than mine with that high sitting axle underneath).

There's a simple answer for that. They don't because, like I said the other day, those type of set ups are for nothing more than heads of cabbage because no human would willingly sit back there, but hey "demand" lol. I have the "boxiest" CUV out there and while it has far more headroom than these sloped roof models out there, the legroom is still tight. I am 5'10" and I would not want to spend more than three minutes back there. Kids would probably be fine but again, that would only be if I had more than three kids, since there is a much more spacious second row back there.

@smk4565 Here’s some data for you. This is a list of the top 25 selling autos of 2020. I can count the number of 3 row SUV/CUVs on one hand with fingers to spare. Tell us more about that “demand” though. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g32006077/best-selling-cars-2020/

The Slade has never been just two row. At one time the Tahoe was though. There is your contradiction, for the record. The “demand” aspect for 3rd row.

This proving the gimmick side of my argument. Still awaiting that solid data that will never come. And all of those SUVs and CUVs mentioned would still sell and sell well without a third row. That is my point here. See the sales history of SUVs like the Grand Cherokee and the ancient 4-Runner and sprinkle in the Edge and the Blazer while you’re at it. Oh and you contradicted yourself on an epic scale but clearly you got me confused with Balth in your defense ,which is what happens when you move the bar so much, so we are not even going to go there at this point.

So again, contradicting your earlier statements. And again, posting those doesn’t make it “data” (skipping that four of those models were MINIVANS). That is not cause and effect. Show actual data within those models that show that customers bought them for their third row and keep in mind, I own a CUV with a 3rd row and did not buy it for the 3rd row. It was not optional. See where this is going yet?

How much longer are you going to beat this dead horse? Why would a sloped roof, damn near coupe style, CUV even begin to entertain the option of 3rd row seats? Again, show us actual data about this 3rd row demand. All I know is that you flat out contradicted yourself there. The XT6 isn’t a hot seller with its 3rd row yet you insist that is what folks want. Baffling the double standard and constant bar moving here. Must be exhausting.

Okay, so now that a whole page has been wasted on talking about Mercedes (because apparently they pay their fans by the word) and how they are the best there ever was, maybe we can get back to the Lyriq.

Going to be mid to upper 80s here this week. Now, if it would come without the mandatory humidity, that would be great lol.

You know what? I am honestly done going in circles with you. I will leave you with this though. You think the EQS is not competing with the Tesla? How about you read this? Mercedes literally made the EQS to compete with the S. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-mercedes-benz-eqs-vs-tesla-model-s-specs/ Regarding the EQE, they are going the CTS route as a tweener car. And I quote, ”The German automaker is building an all-electric sedan called the EQE that will fill the space between Tesla's compact Model 3 and mid-size Model S.” And yet another quote from a different article. ”Although the EQE will be similar in size to a C-Class” So how in the hell is a C-Class to E-Class sized EQE supposed to be competing with a larger Tesla S (Using your size logic)?

The EQS would have been better off looking like a compliance auto than what it is (on the outside) right now.

I would bet $1000 to a donut that Mercedes, and everyone else, have been doing the EXACT same thing. Huh? The EQS has a competitor from Tesla already. And why would Cadillac want to compete in a "dying sedan market" (your exact words in the past)? That is literally contradictory to everything you have said in the past when Cadillac comes out with new gen sedan while not having enough CUVs. Pick a stance and stick with it. I will say this though. Be careful what you wish for. If Cadillac releases an EQS competitor, it is almost guaranteed to look a thousand times better than that undercover VW CC.

LOL! Easy mistake as it was horrible back there before switching to IRS. Again, heads of cabbage back there. It highlights my point though about size. On something like a Highlander, the 3rd row is utterly useless (part of the 90% useless crew) while on a full size SUV like the Slade, it's far more useable. Anything smaller than full size, is pure gimmickry.

Not true. 3rd row has been on standard Escalades for a while. Two different generations below and both are standard wheelbase. However, that doesn't mean they were bought for their 3rd row, like you said.

BS. If they did care, they would get a mini-van since they have ACTUAL usable 3rd row seats. 3rd row seating in most CUVS is pretty marketing gimmickry for folks who are too hip for a mini-van but have zero issues with a gloried FWD station wagon. Show actual proof that 3rd rows are proof of demand in CUVs and not because of marketing gimmickry. I'll give you some evidence though. Take the RX for example. The addition of 3rd row seating has led to horrible reviews of it and the addition of it was pure gimmick since the RX has NEVER hurt for sales with just 2 rows. Lexus only added it because the only other options in their stable are the GX and LX, both of which have glorified jumper seats in the back. Had they built a true CUV or SUV made for TRUE 3rd row seating (or just rebadged the Sequoia), you would never see it added to the RX. Again, 90% of those you mentioned could have no 3rd row and still sell like hotcakes. With that sloped roofline, they would be foolish to do so but you are correct in saying that they could do it. I guess if you need to throw a couple of heads of cabbage back there, it would work lol.