surreal1272

It is not a fun thing. I love hiking but I am very selective when it comes to vantage points. Sometimes its not so bad and other times, it damn near paralyzes me. There is no middle ground with it.

That bridge is a... ...for me Beautiful but my vertigo will simply not allow me to do that.

Two door is the way I would go (and the V6). Who knows? Maybe one year I can swing a $40K splurge. For now, I'll just have to enjoy the lunchbox (what I call my Flex).

I have no doubt about that. I would take one over a Wrangler any day.

From what I understand, they still have the same problems with wind and noise. Just a hard no for such a niche vehicle that routinely prices over $40K.

Every time I ride in Wrangler of any year, I feel like a bobblehead with palsy. Would never, in a million years own one with my back and hip problems.

Here are some articles I have found regarding disappoint Gladiator owners. https://www.motorbiscuit.com/this-2020-jeep-gladiator-owner-is-so-disappointed-hes-getting-rid-of-it/ And apparently going mudding goes against the warranty, thus leading me to ask "What is point of this?" https://www.thedrive.com/news/38601/jeep-gladiator-owner-fixing-her-own-truck-after-dealer-allegedly-voids-warranty-for-mudding

On the surface, its a nice enough looking ride that pays homage to the Scrambler days of old but it is horrendously overpriced and underperforms on nearly every level that is not related to off-roading, not to mention the host of quality issues already plaguing them.

I found this line very amusing while reading up on Fiskers current doings. It's real easy to go after EV "pipe dreamers" when they fail once or twice and it's even easier when you want to ignore some simple facts of the past. Like this line: It took Henry Ford three tries to start his own successful car company. Henrik Fisker is on his second try with his new company, Fisker Inc. How'd that work out for him btw? I forget. I do know that even after a century in business, Ford still has it fair share of issues yet no one is calling for them to be shut down (except for rabid GM fans maybe lol). I'm just glad my Flex has been relatively trouble free ?. Point being, there will be winners and there will be losers but how about let that play out a bit before obeying that five minute attention span, that most people in this country seem to have.

Because much like every other industry out there, not all of them can be "winners" but maybe I'm just guilty of using common sense here instead of using sensationalism and exceptionalism to make a point.

A century in use overall yet some folks still can't build a manual transmission worth a damn. It also adds to why I think the Gladiator is one the most overhyped vehicles released in the last 30 years (at least) and I'd have a hard time finding one from the past that was so overpriced, so utterly useless as a pick up (apparently it can not safely tow anything), and so typical of the company that owns it now. How do you F up a six speed manual in a JEEP? https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a34761896/2020-jeep-gladiator-mojave-reliability-maintenance/

What exactly doesn’t make any sense? That’s exactly what they did. And again, that article you linked was flawed from top to bottom for reasons are covered so maybe it’s just time to move on.

Then you didn’t pay attention to what he actually said since he was clearly talking about the early 1900s when this took place, ie. he was correct. Moving along...

So people having to go to a nearby store with (presumably) gas can in hand, isn’t EXACTLY what David was saying? Seems like your making excuses a bit here by sidestepping that. Help me out here.

You didn’t read the second link I provided, where it talks about what folks used to have to do in order to get gas. Also, one really important thing to consider in that second part of your math. Gas stations of today have up to five times as many pumps per station as gas stations in the 1920s which, again, skews your math a bit. And you didn’t want a complete historical overview yet it is 100% relevant to what was being discussed. One important thing to note about that survey is what it said in the article. “…that surveyed Californians who purchased an electric vehicle between 2012 and 2018.” Thats three years ago. Now I’m not saying everything is better now but again, three years ago. One last thing. The writer of said article (about the survey) needs to review his stuff before posting. Kind of dings the credibility a bit. And I quote: ”Even with the faster charging, a Chevy Volt he tested still needed nearly six hours to top its range back up to 300 miles from nearly empty” Read that again if you don’t see the issue there. And some people can’t even handle putting gas in their damn car. Years ago, when I was driving a tow truck, I picked up two Camrys in which the drivers managed to put full tanks of DIESEL in them, on the same day!

There were 15,000 in 1920, not 22,000. That skews your math a bit and it also doesn’t consider density of numbers (filling stations) as it relates to the population (and where people were living) at the time. https://uh.edu/engines/epi975.htm https://americanhistory.si.edu/america-on-the-move/fill-up Hell, because of our dependence on foreign oil, we had this in the 70s so maybe you need to stop acting like gas has a trouble free existence in just its firsts 60 years in this country. Just saying.

Would have never taken you for a chrome guy in a truck but I guess, given your affinity for the classic rides, it shouldn’t be too surprising. Either way, it’s a sharp looking truck.

Looks sharp from here. Really like the Black trim as opposed to all the chrome they normally come with. Seems like a Balth kind of ride.

Really? Their own “design”? Well, they may have “designed” it but that’s it. “Mercedes-Benz will source batteries from Chinese firm CATL for its upcoming EQS electric car. Scheduled to launch in certain markets next year, the electric luxury sedan is targeting a range of 435 miles, as measured on the European WLTP testing cycle.” And you think that’s an up sell for Mercedes? LMMFAO!! Sorry, but I’ll trust LG and their decades of experience on Batteries over some no name Chinese company. It’s also not some “off the shelf” battery either. Where in the hell do you come up with this nonsense? How to say “I don’t know what I’m talking about” without actually saying “I don’t know what I’m talking about”.?

Crazy looks or otherwise, it also gets 36MPG, which is far better than ANY 3 row full size SUV that will see just about as much "off road" use. I see zero problem with this.

The “hurry up and wait” part of this is the hardest part, I’m sure. Can’t wait to see some good pics of your new ride.

Good grief bar mover. It’s more expensive than all of those (not to mention the XT4 is a whole class smaller), and it’s only rocking a four banger at entry level. Just stop and pay attention to what’s actually being said instead of making up new criteria and kicking that bar around. Why in the F would they? All that proves is that Porsche buyers have more money than sense. Just a stupid, stupid comparison.

It should be noted, while some folks here are bitching about a hypothetical price jump with AWD, that the Lyriq undercuts two of its competitors in the segment, the Jaguar I-Pace ($70K with LESS range) and the Audi E-Tron ($67K, also with less range) so even if AWD is $10K, it is right in line with the competition so maybe these phantom complaints should sit this out until its known for certain what AWD will cost.

Actually the early comments here were about it possibly not having AWD at all, which is why David posted that again.

You missed the point of that by a country mile (nevermind the fact we have now gone from a $10K jump to a $15K because apparently that makes for a better exaggeration). They do if you want performance to go with that AWD (the GLC alone requires a $16K bump if you want AWD and an actual powertrain that will move it). Besides, until they release an AWD model, you are just assuming the worst about it, as per the usual.