surreal1272

Exactly. Spending even a short amount of time at a dealership will prove that. Do you have actual proof to the contrary? I’m betting not.

“That would be any vehicle” Fiat begs to differ and if any vehicle were capable of it the there would be tons of them available. Alas, there is not because companies put together crap engines while some put together crap transmissions. Some screw up both (see older Dodge 2.7L models as an example of this.

You again, did not read everything. I stated that it was over a five year span. Good grief. Pay attention next time before clicking that quote button. Since you want to pick on the source. Here’s another one (market watch but the information comes from Kelly Blue Book). You have been living under a rock if you don’t know that 4 Runners are habitually at the top of those lists almost every year. https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/suvs-actually-worth-good-money-after-5-years-on-the-road.html/ Do you get it now or do you have yet another pointless semantics laden argument to make while ignoring the initial discussion in the first place (SMKs assertion that “old isn’t reliable”)? For gods sake, pay attention.

Exactly my point. The sheer number of both those and 4 Runners for sale with 200k+ miles on them while still looking in good shape is a testament to their long term durability.

Hand built low volume with a much higher cost of ownership. This has also already been explained to you but apparently you just ignore the evidence like SMK does when it doesn’t suit your argument. That’s the last I will say about it. Math.

No. You’re deflecting from what I was saying. You didn’t pay attention to the original discussion and that’s my point. You also ignored all the factors that got you to that number because again, you have an affinity for the G. It doesn’t change a thing I’ve said it does nor prove anything against what I was telling SMK. Since you brought it up though, this after five years of ownership. Notice not ONE Mercedes on that list. Like you said, just here doing maths.

And the Toyota and Lexus do it better than most of not all because they are reliable, which for the last time, was where the discussion started when SMK stated that “old isn’t reliable”. Your selective use of cAPiTal LEtTers does not change this fact just because you have a affinity for a German Jeep. It should be considered sad and laughable that it takes a low volume hand built SUV to be considered valuable or reliable from a brand that otherwise is the exact opposite in 10-15 years. “Best or nothing” right? And I’ll take this bulletproof SUV in this color please.

Hand built cars are the very definition of the word “scarcity” and by nature are low volume and that is what helps them retain any value they have. Not sure what you’re not getting but I’m not going to explain it any further. And please pay attention to the images below because is what I was telling SMK in the very beginning before it moved on to the used market. This “old” GX has the best resale value of any midsize luxury SUV. I would sure as hell take it over the GLE which is what it competes with. As far as the G Wagon, all things considered (like cost of ownership of a hand built SUV), I still wouldn’t have even if money were no object. If I wanted a 4x4 brick on wheels, I’d just buy a Wrangler Rubicon, that has 95% of the Gs off road ability, for a third of the price and call it a day. It is just not my cup of tea. Honestly, if money were no object and a I wanted a 4x4 SUV, I’d buy a loaded 4 Runner TRD and never look back.

Look at the mileage of the two before you make that statement and bear in mind that a loaded GX was about $46K new. Fact is that is shameful that a six figure low volume SUV isn’t as reliable at the other two nor does it hold its value as well considering the factors I’ve already mentioned. If you want to ignore those factors because you fancy them, knock yourself out. Just don’t expect me to share that same enthusiasm. Again, I’m case you missed the first time I’ve mentioned it, the G-Wagon only has its scarcity to hold its value whereas known reliability keeps the value of the GX and especially the 4 Runner high by comparison while all three were running on ancient powertrains which SMK asserted doesn’t mean its reliable.

Which is what I was getting at. SMK asserted that “old isn’t reliable” and the GX and 4 Runner prove him wrong. I added the G Wagon to prove how he won’t use that same line on it when if it weren’t for its rarity, it’s value wouldn’t be what it is and if it were mass produced like the rest of MBs lineup, it sure as hell wouldn’t be reliable long term. As it is, it still isn’t as reliable, long term, as the other two. Even with that scarcity, it does not hold a candle to the other two mentioned. It is crazy what even a 15 year old 4 Runner and GX will fetch and it’s all because they are generally bulletproof SUVs, ancient powertrain and all.

I’m the context of the conversation I was having with SMK, it has $h! resale when compared to the GX and 4 Runner. They all use/used older powertrains for years but one (or two in this case) had a much better resale than the other and its because of legendary reliability (a point that was debated by SMK because asserted that “older doesn’t mean reliable”. All that happens with the G-Wagon being a low volume produced vehicle (which is the only reason why it maintains any value, scarcity breeds value). That’s what was being discussed.

Literally the only Lexus that wears that grill well is the LC500 IMO. All the rest are visual abominations.

Be careful pointing out the facts. That bar will get kicked around for it. And despite its older powertrain, I am convinced that more would be on the road if the front end didn’t look like it was beaten with the whole ugly tree.

And you don’t think Toyota hasn’t engineered the 4 Runner and the GX in the same way (they are platform mates after all)? Seriously? All I know is this. I’ll take the reliability of those two (especially the 4 Runner) over the G Wagon any day. I see countless ads of those with over 200K miles and still chugging along problem free with a killer resale value to boot. The same cannot be said for the G Wagon no matter how you try to embellish it. There is literally not one car or SUV that can touch the 4 Runner on resale value, and sure as hell not one from Germany. And again, you keep moving the bar with the horsepower argument when your sales argument falls flat. Fact is the Slade outsells all other full size luxury SUVs on its “Chevy frame” which is what I was referring to since YOU brought up sales and old powertrains. Regarding the GLE, all I hear are more excuses that you don’t grant to any other make. It doesn’t even merit a response because it’s the same old crap. Don’t worry SMK. You can always get a smoking deal on a G Wagon that lost half its value in just four years and it only has 30K miles on it.

You should check out this smoking deal on a 2016 E-Class.

LMAO! Exactly my point but he won’t dare use that same argument against the “best or nothing”. The difference is the old GX and 4 Runner have far more reliability cred than that Benz ever will.

“Old isn’t reliable” yet you would have never said that in regards to the G Wagon which was far older than anything from Toyota or Lexus. In the case of the two I’ve mentioned, it certainly is though and you clearly do not pay attention to every reliability study and article that backs this up. I also was not debating sales but since you’ve brought it up the GLE is only up 3,900 units for the year (so far) on the GX (12,900 vs. 9,000 roughly). The GLE is down 33% for the year while the old GX aid down just 5%. Guess by your logic, people aren’t flocking to the GLE this year. Your sales argument isn’t even that solid but like I said, the lack of GX sales has more do with its ugly looks than its powertrain. Cadillac has used the 6.2L for years now yet it still spanks the Germans, for the record.

You are trying to move the bar while ignoring the actual evidence. We are not talking about Cadillac and it is just unrelated to even bring up the Vette. We are talking about SUVs, not sports cars. and I’ve already said that it would be nice if it had more power but as Drew pointed out, it isn’t everything plus it is damn near bulletproof compared to the Germans. Your average SUV/CUV buyer is more concerned about ride and comfort first, reliability a strong second, and power falls back to third and the GX is more than enough for most. Sports cars are a whole other matter. That’s a fact that’s not even debatable. Hell, the 4Runner has been using the same motor for that long yet sells better than any Mercedes SUV out there, which pretty much proves my point. What works against the GX is the horror show looks.

They are but I love seeing reminders of why I will never live in California. 1280 sq ft. for seven figures in the middle of suburban hell? Yeah, that’s a hard pass for me but to each their own.

On an SUV that costs more than double the GX (and that’s the cheapest G Wagon). Upping the engine and switch gear is the least they can do. And while HP numbers are low vs those two Germans, it’ll spend far less time in the shop down the road too. 500 HP on an SUV is just a waste anyway, especially in this country. Oh and that GLE needs 66 more HP to get the same 0-60 time as the GX (and that’s with a hybrid 367 HP engine and three more gears). Color me unimpressed. The base is the anemic 255HP for about the same price as the GX. Again, unimpressed.

I get that. What I am saying is that the current price of the entry model 3.6L AWD is $62K per Cadillac’s website but you are stating that the exact same model (I’m assuming) will be $59K. Seems odd to me.

If there is one good thing about living in the convection oven known as the Arizona desert is that the pool temp is at a perfect 84 degrees. Makes the therapy that much more enjoyable.

(Makes attempt at an apology but throws in an “internet king” jab) This is why I’m trying to leave it be but when you say childish nonsense like that, it at least merits a follow up response. The response is “this is why I never believe a word you say”. Fin’ Now that my pool Ph is right, I can actually get in the pool. Enjoy your day everyone.

“Was funny” to you and you alone. You were trolling and honestly you aren’t fooling anyone given the things you have said to me in the past that were definitely not humorous in nature. It has jack to with feelings. It has everything to do with showing a little common decency but the concept appears to be lost on you. We can just agree to disagree here and leave it at that. I’m getting in my pool for a while and doing my own physical therapy. Have a good day (seriously).

A lot of fire sale and fleet sales on those, would be the main reasons for that. Don’t want any left on the lot after this year.