regfootball

yup. true.

why did they do that

but if that is what wall st. wants as eye dressing to put them back in a positive light....

as you say. but the whole thing is, a tough economic downturn should not cause us to lose it all. what i am saying, they've made mistakes, but our country should not have to pay the price by losing our companies because that is a net negative.

see, mr bush, this is what your 4 dollar gas has done. your buddies all got rich enough now. first housing and now energy. now you're looking at entire industries and companies going down. things would not be this bad for GM if the market was on pace for 16.3 million again this year. GM would be able to sell enough vehicles to have cash flow and try to work itself out of this mess. Instead, everyone is not buying, or only buying Yaris and civics and stuff. This has been a huge wakeup call for detroit and clearly the investment community is interested in a huge fall for GM or Ford or both so they can buy it off the scrap heap for cheap and then proceed to rape the pieces of it and either sell it off to another country or make a killing off the scraps here somehow. if this economic fear we are all in and the 4 dollar gas continue after the election then all bets are off I guess. I think at this point at least from the sound of it, Ford might have the best chance of not crashing to the ground. It's in the interest of our Domestics to have the economy get positive again, and fast. If the domestics cannot maintain market share for the next 18 months or so, then it will come down as a huge turning point and i think we may not even have the choice to drive GM Ford Chrysler for too much longer. Even though they are building some of the best cars ever. Keep buying those Camry's people. So the Jap govt can pay for more batteries. Maybe its time for a Carlos Ghosn type to come in and spank GM. Maybe its time for new thinking and Red Ink Rick to turn the key over to someone more ruthless. And someone with a world perspective.

the ecotec is a tremendous engine. revs, power up high, down low, mid range. GM needs to hook it up with better trannies though.

how else is he supposed to ever get sex? if he has to give up his choice of car just for a chance to get it twice a month i guess that's why the world is littered with pilots, revs, crvs, and crap

so they'll ruin it by taking it off sigma and reducing its interior usefulness and making it soft and cute. but yeah, the srx had two main issues. looked like a wagon, interior was hell until a year ago.

C/D finally has a writeup on the v6. 0-60 in 7.0. i had predicted frm my test drive that the v6 would be a second slower than the malibu or aura v6. the aura time i got off their webite was 6.2 and the malibu ltz was 6.5. they kind of alluded to the same thing i felt. the v6 5 speed auto is a bit lacking in refinement. to me its a little NVH tuning and it needs a new tranny. it also needs the DI to get the power up. i think they should explore that becuase if they could get the DI version into the low sixes with a 6 speed (or manual!) and refinement, that would prolong the zeta. however they tested at 17 mpg. about the same as the taurus AWD or did that get 16. not much better than the small block but certainly not terrible for a 2 ton car.

wow, that is negligent on their part.

the whole auto market is run by women. they are the ones that wanted tinny little asian FWD crackerboxes (because they didn't feel so big) then the women had to have minivans, and then SUV's have to sit up HIGH and be SAFE). Now they all want to drive ugly little wussy untough hatchbacks (CRV, RAV). The more i think about this. The SRX wins awards and drives great but the new one will prob outsell it by 3:1 because its more of a chick car. But chick cars sell. 9-4x, new SRX, etc. all chick cars.

WOW. that 2.2 really puts out the power.!

cox.

too bad the too narrow epsilon platform kept this car from getting the width it so is crying out for visually and funtionally inside the cabin. the car would be so much more drop dead gorgeous if it had had 2 more inches of width. they should have antied up for better materials inside the cabin also.

the vw gearbox is great but they need to shed the 5 cylinder.

conversely if our cars last longer because of more frequent maintenance, then that is less cars we manufacture, less energy and materials consumed to make them. fewer cars in the junkyard.

i want 'visual voicemail'....i.e. have my voicemail come into my outlook or similar. can i do that with just my normal typical regualr phone company messages? listening to and accessing voicemail through tedious menus over the phone is a pain in the ass.

as far as i'm concerned let the world masturbate all its wants....... tastefully, in private of course...LOL

i would do fit before civic. i would do anything before civic but that's just me.

VONAGE? I'm thinking about it. Cable phone? pros and cons please.

QUOTE(HarleyEarl @ Jun 22 2008, 09:59 AM) [snapback]405877[/snapback]I'm worried, is the Solstice a chick car?....I see mainly chicks driving them. I'm wondering too, will the new Subaru Forester be as popular with lesbians as the last one? satty held the title for one day with most aged thread revived and now today we go 3 years back! just anout any asian cute ute and the tiguan are chick cars supreme. the CRv is the worst/best example and the RAV4 and sante fe too. But the new forester may end up taking the whole crown.

ford fan here. i like the focus, but the astra is a step above and not really too much more spendy. no hondas!!!!!!

well what's amazing is that now whoever is hosting this site, it doesn't crash simply because you are doing a topic search. LOL

i forgot had you tried a saturn astra XR yet? what is neat about this thread, people talking about realistic alternatives and everyday decision making factors. Not just getting hung up on what consumer reports says. I need to try a Vibe GT yet. On the Aura vs. G6 vs. Malibu debate. I think the 3.5 is still a nice option to have even if the 4 cyls are a great price. So then to me what stalls on the G6 if you don't need a coupe is that the Aura interior to me seems so much nicer and more polished than the G6. Even with the G6 versions in tan which is the way to go. g6 coupe is a pretty car. not in a chick pretty sense, just a very nice coupe design......which nissan of course tried to copy or was it the other way around?

wow, this wins the prize for 'reviving old thread'~!