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i had heard the Aura's hybrid system was the 2 mode.

I drove a 2.7 Magnum once. SLOOOOOO i don't think this recall is a big deal.

what sort of lease terms did you get?

the G6 GTP manual doesn't sell as well as it could for two reasons -too expensive for what you get (i.e. pushrod motor, second tier handling, GM typical interior) -enthusiasts who drive cars with manuals also want the best engine hardware to go with. the 3.6 litre vvt hf whould be in this car, not the 'dated' 3900. the 3900 is not perceived as competitive to the Altima's 3.5 or other cars like the Accord v6, etc. I'll also add if the car has developed a rep as being a numb handler and lacking steering feel and other chassis refinement, then the buff books will knock it and that kills sales. The Mazda6 v6/manual sells extremely well. Part of that is because you can get the stick and OHC v6 for a lot less actual money. It is possible to get a Mazda6s v6/stick and just a tiny few options but still get it around 20 grand. Most GTP's rotting on dealer lots will sticker at 28.5 and north. GM is not big on incentives anymore. So your G6 GTP is gonna start around 25 grand. You can say it might be cheaper than an Altima SE-R for example, but just six months ago I could have walked into any Nissan dealer and thrown 25 thou on the desk and walked out with a new base (but extremely well equipped) Maxima that has the GTP trumped on many consumer levels. Add to this the perception that one should never pay as much for a GM car that you pay for other brands and the pushrod factor and the fact that the G6 is still narrow and low compared to the Accord and Altima and even the mazda6 and that's why the G6 manual doesn't sell. its one of those things where if you build it right and nail everything than having a stick will benefit you. But the G6 now falters on a few other basic levels that affect its sales greatly. If Pontiac didn't have their collective heads up their asses, what I do is take a base 6 cylinder G6, and offer a simple 'performance' or GT package. the 3.9 engine, the 6 speed (1000 bucks). then i offer a suspension package which includes 4 wheel disc, tight suspension, and the steering upgrade to high perf hydraulic (1500 bucks). if you start with the base G6, one can get one and simply choose those 2 options and get a great high perf value. I would then offer an option for high bolstered seats, but only a few cars. the basic G6 seats are good to begin with. then you would have your sunroof and sound options. the G6 would improve its cred 1000 % by simply offering the 3.6/manual combo. Even by selling only 7-10 thou a year. Pontiac IS performance, right?

well sure, if she always talks without answering the question and lies.

they didn't put the 3.6 DOHC in the G6. if it didn't have a redesign, at least they could put the top hardware in it. If the G6 had everything nailed, then maybe saturn could get by without the stick. but the G6 has interior and design issues, and apparently ride and handling issues as well as lacking the upper crust motor. Saturn Aura was supposed to fill all those voids.

why do the french canucks always want to separate then?

you and i AGREE?

this is one famous 'beater'

those darn FLAMERS!!!!!

ROTFLMAO

Accord, Mazda 6 and Altima, 3 of the very main competitors the Aura is going after...offer them. Subaru offers a turbo 4 with stick. Fusion will likely see one soon. Also, many VW's and Acuras and lower end Audis, of which Saturn may cross compete for some business with (if their cars are good enough) sell a large %age of sticks. Using your pseudo logic, than the G6 should not get one either. Its all lip service about Saturn 'wanting to compete'. As usual, GM cops out. besides, doesn't the opel offer a performance 6 and stick combo? G6 has one

I sure as hell couldn't cram my ass into a Sky and I'm 6'-1" A ford focus seems absolutley gushing with leg room and a simple 2 seat roadster like the sky most 6 footers can't pry their arse into. Much less find room for a simple bag of groceries.

"they are, in fact, SIMILAR" ITS NOT EXACTLY THE SAME! WHY ISN'T IT? STOP DUCKING THE EFFING QUESTION! oooooo, 14 spoke wheels! SO SEXY!!!!! that makes up for the lack of a v6/stick!

agree

remember the Austin Powers movie where Dr. Evil sits and shakes his head or whatever in an exasperated fashion at his son Scott and says..."you just ...don't.....get it, do ya?" "For those wanting a manual transmission experience" HEY JILLIE..."you just ...don't.....get it, do ya, Scott?" , AN AUTOMATIC, EVEN WITH MANUMATIC FEATURE, DOES NOT OFFER THE FUNCTION AND USER CONTROL THAT FANS OF A MANUAL TRANSMISSION WANT. Does she even know how to drive a stick? ONLY A TRUE MANUAL TRANSMISSION WILL PROVIDE A MANUAL TRANSMISSION EXPERIENCE. DAMMIT! stop trying to spin this to cover up for being cheap!!! translation: our bean counters were too adamant about not spending the money to certify the extra transmission on the Aura. Our engineers couldn't design a decent enough transmission and clutch and our product planners are too lame to recognize it as a beneficial feature"....is what her response should read. JUST STOP LYING. a manumatic with paddle shift is NOT A MANUAL TRANSMISSION and manumatics are not an adequate substitute for one. Saturn is, in four simple words here "DUMB, LAZY AND CHEAP"

looking on msnbc news headlines, they have the headline about toyota and brooks and dunn, but not about this. now that's bias.

yuppie and hippie leftists are always more about themselves first and then keeping the social classes below them satiated, but at a lower level. "I can have my Lexus as long as they are the ones driving a Chevy, getting my starbucks, cleaning up my dogs poop in the park, and drycleaning my shirts" thing is, the money in our country belongs to the leftists and intelligentsia. all the old conservatives that had ideals are getting too old. you have the baby boomers now who run the show and since birth that whole generation has felt entitled and liberated socially. 'i feel entitled to my toyota because i worked so hard' as opposed to the old timers which was, 'if i buy a chevy truck others like me will prosper as well'. I really don't have a problem sending your money where you want to. Right now I just can't stand the world conquest bit Toyota has going on. While the local branches of Toyota obviously care about providing business to the US, I hardly doubt one iota that Toyotas head management in HAPAN gives a rats ass if our country is supported or not. They just want to suck the money out of us, I think. I don't really get the same impression on Honda. Honda could outdo Hoyoda if they really wanted to. Honda is way more innovative. Nissan is French, which annoys me, but then sometimes I feel compelled to like their products because they put KILLER motors in their cars. My main beef is Toyota and their extreme arrogance. I wouldn't mind seeing a couple monster recalls and lawsuits against them, and maybe a few lemons of theirs to hit market about now. Like for example, a Lexus LS where the wheels fall off. Or Camlees where the suspension breaks. Not enough to hurt anyone, but enough to bring em down a notch or two. People are fools. Subaru makes as good a quality cars as Toyota, they just don't make as many models. Yet toyota is gold and Subaru is niche.

i USED to like Brooks and Dunn

i knew you'd enjoy that.

so odd, sunday I saw THREE unique Phaetons, within a 15 mile radius of home. WOW.

courier drivers?

explorer is getting its ass kicked. who still buys crown vics?

the commander is doing FINE! NO, REALLY? DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

good to see the Galant picking up. the interior kinda sucks but the basic car is pretty good. the ralliart version should help spark a few sales.