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That's almost the exact same dollar amount- Model S starts @ $81K, which would be a $73K decrease on the Taycan.

Man, does HomeAdvisor give some shitty, erroneous information. "light fixture work : $150 - $750" "wiring a house : $550 - $750." Look at that for a half second.

$154K - $79K = $75K. That means if you subtracted BOTH motors, the rest of the car cost/is worth a negative $4,000. Dropping one motor is NOT equatable to half the price of the car. The question I have is; will the Taycan turn a profit at $154K??

When do price tiers go away? It's been repeated stated that a -say- 30% price difference means those 2 vehicles aren't competing with each other. IE; a $30K and a $40K vehicle. Here we have a 100% price difference- Model S starts at $81K, the Taycan is going to start at $154K. (Frankly, I don't believe they will be a $75K version- how much de-contenting is going to happen there?)

And as far as top speeds of OEM custom-built race cars go, its interesting that the vast majority of mercedees are limited to 155 MPH. Shouldn't they be going 650-700 MPH by now??

General Motors has also set a 268 MPH top speed, but with a 4-cylinder, not a V-12.

• I doubt anyone is achieving 75 MPH in the on-ramp. • Everyone can gauge speed because every vehicle on the road has a speedometer. But ask someone driving at any given static or advancing speed how many feet they've covered?? No; 0-60 is going to remain the standard. Every vehicle can execute a 0-60 run, so it's a universal comparison. "0-80 in 312 feet" is intangible. Of course; braking in feet makes sense.

808 HP? Clearly benchmarking Dodge. And BTW- who times a car going from 43 MPH to 75 MPH - is this a brand new metric I've not heard of?

I guess 1600 HP pretty much makes any upcoming 1000 HP cars completely obsolete, out the door.

In this era, perhaps that's enough for a #shutdownthecorporation...

Wonder how this will effect their reputation / trust level going forward, even if it's regarding EVs. Multiple corporate-level marketing cheats don't go far in the 2nd-largest-capital-expenditure of a consumer's life.

[quote]“This industry is about to enter what could be a multiyear profit desert,” says Mark Wakefield, global co-leader of AlixPartners’ automotive and industrial practice."[/quote] LOL - what does "about to enter" mean? Who's making a profit on EVs NOW?? It's not that 'it makes me happy' - it is what it is. EVs do not make any OEM money. The PR that Ford released saying they would be 'attractively priced' means nothing. And such has been said before, by many. Tesla has by far the largest volume EV and they still haven't hit their goal MSRP of $35K. BTW- ALL colors are new for Rivian- they aren't in production yet.

The question is if "we" revers to OEMS, or consumers. I'm betting that most of any cost savings will NOT be passed on to consumers, ESPECIALLY as the segment grows in volume. There's simply no marketing pressure to do so. More and more decidedly non-luxury vehicle brands are pushing upwards, making the entry-level market increasing low volume / barren. It may well be that the automobile returns to it's dawn of primarily high priced vehicles.

IMO early automobiles in the U.S. (1900- say 1915) were primarily a 'want'. Lifestyles were not hugely changed as they came on scene; people primarily stayed in the same locations and farming was prevail ant. Most early cars (including Chevrolet) were quite expensive. After that, professions and even personal lifestyles started to change / embrace the automobile. The second lifestyle change was the widespread improvement of roads, but aside from the interstate highways, this was piecemeal. Also keep in mind there was very very little in the way of 'global competition' during the beginning of the 20th century, countries were largely autonomous. I think it wasn't until WWI that most people began to evaluate just that.

Lot of spottiness out there; too many cars with automatic lights blasting down nighttime highways with all lights out or no functional brake lights. I swear its gotten worse, not better.

I forgot that each SLP car (Camaro SS / Firehawk) came with 'birth certificates', complete with 'birthmark' & 'footprints' :

Do you know why Chrysler / FCA puts that lil graphic on your Jeep?

I was being facetious. Point is, there's tremendous overlap in profile views of SUVs/CUVs (and pickups) because functionally; they're boxes, and you can only do so much with a box. Add to that the Great Homogenization of auto design, and any idea that you can have 60 or 70 CUVs in a single commerce market and they somehow are going to be wildly distinctive from each other is pretty unrealistic, IMO.

Apparently, Norway's electric take rate is booming because EVs are hugely subsidized. EVs are exempt from VAT and other taxes on car purchases and sales. Parking in public parking spaces is free. EVs can use most toll roads and several ferry connections free of charge. EVs are allowed to use bus and collective traffic lanes. The company car tax is 50 per cent lower on EVs, and the annual motor vehicle tax/road tax is also lower. Battery charging is free at a rapidly growing number of publicly funded charging stations. Meanwhile, Internal Combustion vehicles see : 25% VAT. CO2 Tax. NOx Tax. Weight Tax. Exorbitant gas & diesel taxes. All told, an audi A7, which starts at $319,000, and a Tesla Model S, which starts at $636,000, end up having their prices cross, where the A7 ends up being $697,000 and the Model S, $638,000 (NOK). No wonder sales are jumping. Now… this is what I've said for a long while; once pricing becomes competitive, EVs will likely take off and get out of the niche corner of the market (in the U.S.). Unfortunately, Tesla is STILL not making a profit there this way, even tho coming in nearly double in price to its competition. That's akin to a Model S starting at $140K here.

Who else was confused on this one? Anyone??

Most of the segment is AWD, not front or rear. 'Hot hatch' is another dead segment, and there'll be no 'hot crossover' segment upcoming.

Tucker did the same with it's concept 'Torpedo'.