balthazar

$65,000 -- -- -- -- -- $64,000 {No other GMCs.}

Only $2850 for the '57 Superior ???? damn- missed out ! Checked out mechanically, I'd drive it like is with pride. Ahh- I thought there was an Adventurer hardtop :

EL CAMINO ???? Even the relatively lackluster '82 ?? Puts the whole list imediately into question. Pinto was no dream machine, but it certainly wasn't 'ugly'. DeLorean ???? C'mon. Cimarron again; certainly not even close to ugly as a design (....it's place in history as a Cadillac is a whole 'nuther discussion tho). X-90 actually isn't bad for something so stubby. Prowler ????? {facepalm} Escalade has zero commentary on design, just a twisted perception. Among the nicest looking SUVs. Likewise with the Avalanche. 7-series only fails in the rear- it's hardcore mediocre, but even I cannot call it 'ugly'. SSR is a great, expressive design. Thank God the element, cube & baja are in there... my top 3. Axiom should be there, too, real freaks these 4.

mega-drool (would prefer hardtop, tho). Sold @ $250K : Dual-drool : Shame the collection broke up, but a bunch of folk had a great chance at some top-quality iron.

Wow- checked back in with my buddy..... NJ Troopers did not order (2) Camaro SSs .... they ordered 200. I can't wait to see one.... any place other than in my rearview with the lights a-flashing.

^ A very legitimate question, & one that the Gov. would never answer.

FYI : all Pontiac Rallye IIs are steel.

Lee was a machine last night: complete game, 10 Ks, post season ERA now is 0.54. Pedro was great against the Dodgers in the NLCS.... hoping to see more of the same tonight. Yankees looked pretty troubled last night, puzzled & troubled. Love it.

Complete unsupported conjecture passed off as 'information'.

Interesting to see - counter to an assertion posted elsewhere- that the evo wasn't relatively all that competitive. Any feedback from the jag's performance that the brakes 'couldn't handle it' ?? If not, I think it's been proven why jag backed out. Nice showing on Cadillac's part - hope to see the coupe even (slightly) quicker.

>>"I think someone just grabbed a '68 Grand Prix grill and installed it on a '68 Catalina... "<< Guess that's right- something about the misaligned cover on the left was making me think it was different. GP's entire rear clip is different than the Cat in '68, right? GP has a more compact, squat-ter look to it. Nice cars.

^ I can get onboard with the above, but don't forget mercedes ... :wink:

Great pics of many great Pontiacs. No Division was quite as attractive over time as PMD. The '68 Cat puzzles me- I assume thats a Canadian covered-headlight grille, cause it's not US RPO. Grand Parisienne's had covered lights in '68...

Found it (sorry for the hijack). Dug it out of the Balthazar Files : From the Detroit Free Press, date unknown (but would have to have been circa '84-85). In part/ abbreviated : -- -- -- -- -- >>GM took the sweeper's advice When Fiero assembly worker Calvin Queen talks with possessive pride about his favorite car... "I just fell in love with it when I saw it," Queen said, describing his first look @ Pontiac's racy little P-car. That's what developers called the Fiero before it got it's name. "It was such a sleek little car, and I was wondering what they was going to call it," Queen recalled. This is the story of how Queen, moved to action by love @ first sight, smashed auto company tradition to ensure that the car got a name worthy of its appeal. It's also the story of how William Hoagland, a GM exec w/ a 6-figure salary, deferred to the marketing sense of an $18,500 worker. A friend told Queen that Pontiac decided to call the new 2-seater 'Sunfire'. "I couldn't believe it! That beautiful little car. I couldn't believe they were going to give it that blah name. It disturbed me real bad." So Queen called Hoagland to complain. He wasn't in; Queen left a message. About noon the next day, Queen's foreman told him someone was waiting to see him 'up front'. It was Hoagland.With the kind of concern for worker opinion & involvment that colleagues say is characteristic, Hoagland had decided to check Queen out. "He showed me a list of 10 names. Sunfore was one of them. Fiero was not on the list. After they (others in the room) seen he (Hoagland) cared what I thought -in a sense I was glad I had told him- they all began to say 'Well, you know Bill, I don't like that name either'." According to Queen's plant manager, Hoagland took Queen's concern to heart and ordered a complete re-evaluation of the name. "If Queen had not made that call, I think for sure we'd never have had the name Fiero," (plant mananger) said.<< -- -- -- -- -- Interesting story- a bit of the stuff that makes being an autoholic so enjoyable.

Nice inventory & fair pricing from what I can see. Would love to have a restored Stude Transtar 4x4 diesel, tho after driving a DuraMax for 3 years, I shudder to think how slow one would be.

>>"These three freeways DO have numbers... but using them (NJT - route 700, GSP - route 444, ACE - route 446), but nobody knows them"<< As a lifelong Jersey resident, allow me to confirm: I had no idea what -if any- numbers were asociated with those roads. 'Route 700' ?? O...K.

I have bee-you-ti-full, compact toaster oven available, NEVER used. Comes with booklet of instruction. All over chrome, sweet like new baby in and out. Born in early 1970s in AHH-merika. Will outlast any oven overpriced jobs you may be considering looking around. For you, I make good deal really.

>>"Too bad they didn't pay more than a buck fifty to get it decaled and lettered... Jeez... "<< I agree, tho I think stealth was the idea. I know- so why not unmarked ? Perhaps this is a pre-street trim ? I'll ask my buddy... -- -- -- -- -- ACE = East Coast Autobahn, so you have to keep yer eyes peeled anyway, right SAm ? Stay safe.

I think we just know these cars cars too well- the clash of the 2 different generations is not something we can ignore... but I'm still intriqued enough to see a finished version.

From a cop buddy- NJ just ordered 2 (IIRC) SS Camaros for pursuit duty. As if the blacked-out local Chargers weren't enough to watch out for.... now one of the coolest cars of recent memory has the ability to strike a new type of fear into motorists. Jersey State Troopers are bona fide bad ass (in a good way), and these back that up to the hilt.

My buddy just told me about this one today- says it's written up in Hot Rod. Only pic that turned up for me was this : Aluminum Pontiac 455 power. Lingenfelter does some snotty stuff. Interesting to see if this pans out, and just how far north of $60K it'll turn out to cost. From one incomplete pic, I'm having a hard time getting past the Camaro-ness of it....

Croc - >>"Balthazar, what are you saying? That you don't believe that pollution and ozone holes are bad? That they aren't really a problem? Or are you saying that until someone definitively calculates to the last decimal place what exponent or multiplier our pollution has on the environment that you don't want to do anything about it?"<< Read my earlier posts. 'll save you the time, Mr 'I only read the last 3 posts in a thread' : -- -- -- -- -- >>"...and at the very least we can do things about it..."<< balthazar : This is just common sense. Be efficient, conserve, protect, nuture. -- -- -- -- -- >>"Because I don't understand why it even matters what exact level of harm we are doing, if it's harm we should minimize it. But if you're disputing or are just "not convinced" that pollution is real and a problem, then we have even bigger issues to deal with here."<< I'm all for it on an individual level. Like I said- it's common sense; anyone with any knows you don't pollute. I've NEVER throw anything out a car window that wasn't an apple core, ie; 100% biodegradable & natural... and that; only into the woods, not on a lawn or the road. My 4-person household puts out less than half the garbage that the cross-street neighbor does with 2 people. I recycle everything, including scrap metals. All my car fluids go to a sanctioned county recycling program. My electric usage is less yr over yr (tho it costs more), and I suppliment my nat gas furnace with air-tight wood power. My clothes fall to pieces on my back, my daily drivers last me as long as possible (14 on the last one). I abhor most electronics partially due to their burden on the power grid. I run no exterior house lighting, nor interior once everyone's to bed. For the most part, I'm right there. My 'opposition' here is NOT on the individual level (and I DO think that's VERY important). My challenge is to the theory that man is effecting the earth's climate in a measurable way. Because that theory HAS NEVER BEEN MEASURED. You'd think with $36,000,000,000 spent on direct science WRT climate change so far, we'd have something demonstratable to show for it. Where is it ? Where is the science.... ANY science ? Please; point me to empiracal proof of global warming effected by MAN. Because there are MASSIVE government programs & restrictions & taxations being proposed and planned and back-doored, none of which has come with a simple 2-color fold-out brochure siting the scientific evidence collected to prove what happened... OR what's proposed has been tested & proven to work at 'fixing' it, either. When the biggest 'remedy' of cap & trade is no more than a money shuffle, when those hammering how bad everything is, yet they'll "allow" some to pollute as long as they pay, you tend to squint up one eye toward the Gov. Sorry; call me an anarchist (not true), or just a libertarian... but I do not trust those in government, from whom the best they can offer is 'trust me: man is killing the planet'.

>>"...corsair 650W with my much more powerful pc, am3 phenom 2 x3, 4gb ram, 3 hard drives, the 4770..... and pulling less than my ~450W OCZ, athlon xp 1 gb ram 2 HDD and an x800..."<< So THIS is how my wife feels when I talk about torque converters and head flow numbers.

>>"We pump trillions of barrels of a trapped, carbon based liquid, known to be poisonous to plants and animals, to the surface of the earth."<< Yeah... but it's natural... and it's creation couldn't be more green ! >>"If this were anything other than oil/gasoline, wouldn't this sound incredibly stupid of us?"<< Question remains; where is the scientific evidence documenting HOW MUCH this effects climate change ?? Will we ever see it ? To echo your analogy : > We spend $X-ga-zillion to locate, pump, refine, distribute and stockpile this liquid.... for 100 years....THEN we find out if it works in this thing called an 'internal combustion engine'. Would not proof it works first be sensible before all that money / time was spent ? There are those, very vocal, very influential, trying to create a monetary-generating system based on controlling a gas humans exhale, with zero proof it will accomplish anything. I have no room for the new belief system called Our Cause of Perpetual Climate Doom.

^ Eh- nice.... but doesn't hold a candle to the ute up top, IMO.