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Goodie: production quantities! (adds to growing file) '63-64 R1 : 240/289CI 4bbl '63-64 R2 : 290/289CI SC '64 R3 : 335/304CI SC '64 R4 : 280/289CI 8bbl '64 R5 : 575/?? twin SC I had the 304" right, but I was mistaken in that I thought the R3/R4s were available in '63 and the specs changed to '64. I also remembered the R4 as being a 304. I need to pick up an authorative Studebaker book. Pleasure to meet you & your family, Walt. Nice lil' show. Congrats on another trophy, let's talk car wax...

I've come across numerous that were too large to be comfortable. I prefer none at all. Really; they're quite pointless unless you live in Nevada, or any of the other 2 states with endless ribbons of straight road to float down.

Maybe your bulges are really small.

GMC- give it up. Save everyone the trouble and just proclaim 'I don't like Pontiac' and be done with the subject. Please.

Here's another vote for the same sentiment.The huge, 'swollen-gland' bulges at 10 & 2 o'clock are getting so fat one can barely grip them. Awful.

Sure; those that are NOT under 9,000-lb vehicles.tmp- you're correct on the deVille vs. Eldo.

Chevy 'Caribe' 4-dr convertible, XP-834.

So the alternative is to not only do absolutely nothing whatsoever, on any front, but instead announce that everything from the American Industry is substandard & uncompetitive??? Effectively slam/flame the largest nationwide employeer in the last 100 (98) years?This must be your president; because he sure as sh!t isn't mine.

GM bodies of the same style number (this one a xx69 share the same greenhouses, but the 4-dr hardtops and the 4-dr sedans have different backlights in this era (pre-'65). 'Radio' closer to steering column is heat/vents (A/C is pretty rare in '64 PMDs, but would be in the same spot).

GMC= >>"I knew someone would start flaming me..."<< You're not getting flamed; you're being corrected. You must at least understand the problem/situation before you can offer 'solutions'. >>"heres distinct yet similar. The Bel air and Cheiftain had similar details, Ie.extra/deleted trim,The same body and chassis, but also distinct details, like the engine,and the cheif,Bowtie, grille and bumper differnences."<< They do NOT have the same bodies and they do NOT have the same chassis's. Glass interchanges, nothing else does. Again, this is the basis for a lot of what you're stating, and it's incorrect. >>"and there are two differnent types of rebadges: The *80s* kind... and the *Classic* kind, where the same platform and body is used for a variety of cars, but there are engine and actual differnences that would compell me to buy a Pontiac over a Chevy!"<< There is no readily recognized "Classic rebadge", either in definition or practice. You're misusing the term to the detriment of your thesis. This is problematic with those who assume GM's recent problems extend all the way back to 1908. Like I said, don't make assumptions on GM's history or vehicles unless you research reputable sources first, elsewise you can expect exasperated responses. PS: It was the Buick "Fireball 8"; Buick used inline 8-cylinder engines, not inline 6s.

I'd like to see a regular cab Sierra on the Crew Cab/short bed chassis. This would allow a 9.5' bed.

I go to a barber shop. Same guy's (or another there) s'been crafting my faux-pompadour for 14 years.

Intriquing. I've owned two '64 4-sedans, one a Ventura trim, in addition to my GP. This one is blissfully rust-free and straight. The mirror on the fender is the remote one; non-remotes were on the door. Standard hubcaps (not DeLuxe) and 1-spd wipers (not opposed-blade 2-spds) point to a rather spartan equipment level, but these are great riding & drivling cars. 'blu: I had that comment ('2 radios?') from some kid once. Was it you?

God, I hate modern interiors. plasticplasticplasticplasticplastic, plastics are the cheapest material used in car interiors; synthetic chemicals squirted into a mold. Bakes & brittles in the sun, scratches, gouges & cracks under contact, irrepairable, even smells like &#036;h&#33;. An awful, necessary evil. People desperate to validate the stomach-lurching quantity of 1000 lbs in every car use atom-splitting judgement calls on levels of 'gloss' & 'texture'... it's simultaneously pathetic & laughable. {spits}.

I am past weary regarding these radical armchair diatribes. 'Everything is wrong and here's all the solutions'- fffftt! First off, "GMC", you're miles off on the historical points: >>"Rebadging goes back to the 30s, when Ford and GM discovered the economics of using one platform, with modifications for cars."<< {How to start......} nothing regarding 'platform' (anachronistic term when talking about this era) sharing was discovered in the '30s; GM Divisions each usually only had one chassis from inception to.... roughly 1960. Cadillac and the divisional 'dawn' years may be the pointed exceptions. And it's NOT "rebadging". Rebadging is designing a vehicle, then changing the emblems and a few minor details (grille textures, taillight lenses). Nothing close to this practice was going on at GM until the '70s. >>"The Pontiac Cheiftain and Chevrolet Bel Air were similar in body and platform..."<< No 'platforms' here. Maybe a few more similarities than those between a Bel Air & a Galaxie.... but there's no point here. >>"...but had differnent engines and distinct, yet similar, styling! "<< 'Distinct yet similar'? O-ooookkkkkkk....... >>"Its lifespan was not supposed to be much longer than a few years. It was created to be below Chevrolet, but above the now defunct Oakland brand. When Pontiac began outselling Oakland, Oakland was phased out and Pontiac replaced Oakland. "<< You have not researched this; why are you posting it? There was no planned limit on Pontiac's lifespan. It was originally slotted to be right where it is- above Chevrolet (& below Oakland). >>"The Grand Am? Nope, just a stripped down Monte Carlo...."<< Sorry, Camino, I can't continue!! Good night!

Oh, and the Kappa sibs looks cool, loungin around together, being all tough & aloof, just waiting to get out on the road and hand miata's their asses. Anyone want to see more of the plant (such as via terraserver.microsoft.com), it's at 810 Boxwood Rd.

F'ing Amen.Look at the steering wheel in the posted Bentley pic- sickening for $300K+. You can get the same basic thing in a sentra-class box. For you, FLy: XP715: It is the '39 Zephyr coupe that has the dash you're thinking of. Sedan has a different one, not sure what other year coupe's had the same. Can't find a pic quick. There's a top-shelf yellow custom that came out a few years back, it's been in a car polish print ad, it had the dash you're talking about. Awesome pick, BTW.

My Buick was built in Wilmington- neat to see the plant.

Sure you did.

Razor- I actually uploaded the Chrysler AstroDome last night, just didn't get around to posting it. Here ya go, this is a '60: The '63 Turbine does indeed have one of the coolest consoles in the world, but the smallish guages & lack of shiny bits left me less than amorous about the rest. Still good, just not outstanding as the console is. I sat in car #18. Pic I posted earlier with the speedo in the steering hub: '54 Lincoln Futura. Some of you might know it better in it's 2nd life: the original '66 Batmobile. Airflow/Airstream had some of the coolest details: the vent windows opened conventionally, but when closed, the entire side window AND vent window roll down into the door. Ingenious. BV-

Alternative, no obstructions:

I would not question/debate Jag's racing successes.

Cad-amino ('76 Mirage):

If getting attention and free food/test drives is your intention, then yes: you're "doing something right". After all, it works for Paris Hilton. If instead you are interested in providing a service to the consumer, your reader, then sorry, you're not. Almost sad, completely expected. At least it's out in the open.

I don't think any manufacturer ever used an 'upsidedown' 3-spoke; guess nearly everyone has fallen subject to 'form over function' at one point or another. 2-spoke would be better, or either a 'lazy' 3-spoke or a 'lazy' 4-spoke, where the upper 2 spokes laid lower. Divide the pie evenly and you get obstruction.