Cmicasa the Great

And the same goes for the electronic device you are typing on here. There are options but that's not the bigger point here. Again, it's a world economy when it comes to vehicles. I am really not sure how to make this any clearer. I want a Mac I don't have a choice. I want a vehicle I have many choices.As for the world economy, when a country doesn't trade fairly with my country I don't like it. I don't know how to make that any clearer. Then pitch a tent outside of the Capitol... Boycott every... EVERY American corporation.. that decided that U cost to much to employ while bitching about your lunch break being too short and your Viagra not being covered under your health plan.. China didn't do this.. Eff China... America did this... Allows this.

Please.. I came clean over at GMI about who I was, and even asked Diego to change my name to Cmicasa the Great AGAIN.. but he would not.. and told me to embrace MiatsoCi/PearlsRider/LovelyMoon/the Grifter/FoxMuldersGhost To the topic.. a lost job is a lost job.. trying to bring up China's humanitarian report card or their political stance is insane. Mary Barra is doing exactly what every other manufacturing CEO has done since the first Chinese manufactured product showed up on our shares.. we did this.. WE... DID... THIS. Buying any other product from a communist country or any other country... no matter what..is okay....as long as it's not a GM vehicle GM is far from the first, and certainly not the last.. as long as people seem to have no problem buying even food.. that's SUSTENANCE.. and clothing.. and medical equipment.. from China GM is going to bring one GM built car, with projected sales of 60K, over from their own Chinese-soil based plant.. let me say that AGAIN... GM is going to bring one GM built car over from THEIR own Chinese-soil based plant.. these REAL Americans, whose homes are littered to the ceiling Chinese manufactured goods, have decided that they are no longer gonna support GM or its other 50 products that account for the 3 Million it sold here in the U.S. last year.. providing jobs galore and spurring this economy. and let's not forget that many of them have German, Japanese, or Korean.. hell Indian built cars in the garage. Yeah.. Boycott GM.. have lay-offs here in the U.S. to protest one thing that they've been supporting since (Ok.. I was gonna post a picture of a Vice President who kinda started it all, but decided not to. Hint.. his last name sounds like the name of a BIRD) How about this? U have any problem with Municipalities and States buying their Mass Transit Buses from BYD Auto Co., Ltd? BYD is a Chinese automobile manufacturer based in Shenzhen, Guangdong Province. Here I provided a Link. The Chinese have apparently come up with a way to get a bunch of us Americans in a rolling can.. so they can do nasty thing to us like experiment, put us in chambers, and perform mass genocide.. BYD Motors Wins America's Largest Electric Bus Order Next time U see one of these.. considering they've been here for a bit.. blame Buick and GM

Jesus Christ Steve... We had this argument over at GMI damn near to death. Your argument for laid down their and if U keep it up here it will happen again. MiatsoCi You lost the argument over there if you want to lose it over here be my guest People I have to let U kno that this is the same guy that said steve333 @ GMI post #73 So I'll just do my thing.. as re-writing it would get tiring Tell U what.. U start a campaign.. an effective one that gets behind it 250 money able Americans to STOP buying all Chinese manufactured goods, no matter how small or large, and I'll stop defending GM's reason for doing it as OK.. and American-Justified. I'm no fan of importing and selling the Envision here either.. but then again.. I'm no fan of importing and selling BMW, Toyotas/Lex, Hyundais/Kias, Benzes, VW/Audis, Jag-LRs, Honda/Acuras, Nissan/Infin, Volvos, Subies, or Mazdas either. The idea of allowing the Chinese to send all their cheap **** over here and we sop it up like biscuit wheels on a road of gravy.. but suddenly find "Uncle Sam" when GM pulls a car from one of its global factories and brings it here is just weird hypocrisy.. I gave up on the American worker a while ago.. went my own path. Saw that American would rather feed Japanese, German, and Korean workers while they themselves stood in line waiting to cash unemployment checks so they could make payments on their Prius, Jetta or Sonata.. rinse repeat.. Where I'm confused is .. How does it make sense that the Japanese worker building a Prius.. making a weekly $133,254 JPY is less of a problem than the Chinese worker making $6,483 YUAN, when the American.. who bought the Prius.. is making $392 a week in unemployment wages (used Michigan)??? Basically what this entire silly thread is saying (and I used this example before) is as an American.. we are "OK with Adolf, Goh, and Hiro sleeping with our significant other, but that Chung??? He better go find another tramp to sleep with and keep his hands off my cheating tramp so Adolf, Goh, and Hiro don't get their feelings hurt" What I still don't get... Is why this, and only this import...seems to ruffle everyone's feathers when so much more from China is imported equaling higher overall dollar amounts and utilizing far more jobs. Also... I find it exceptionally interesting that no one has brought up (except me of course) that the UAW was complicit in this decision. I haven't even heard a word of them protesting hard or threatening to strike. Could it have been part of their deal? Lastly.. I am still blown away with the American job argument Vs China... but no issue with the Mexicans, Canadians, Koreans, Germans, or Japanese taking jobs. A lost job is a lost job, whether it be to Pablo in Mexico City , Anne-Marie in Ontario, Adolf in Germany, Goh in Korea, Hiro in Japan, or... And I kno y'all hate him the most.. Chung in China. Explain these to me.. with out prejudice or fear mongering and I'll exit from this thread

Jesus Christ Steve... We had this argument over at GMI damn near to death. Your argument for laid down their and if U keep it up here it will happen again. MiatsoCi

After being in the Ex's Encore.. I think a case could have been made for even Cadillac to get a version to compete against the BMW X1 FWD based vehicle. I've driven an X1.. let me tell U.. the Encore.. no. the Trax.. is more than a match for it. No just kidding on the Trax, but the Encore in full trim is tho. GM.. thro some wider tires on that lil mofo.. Turbo 2.0L, add newest A&S, Cadillac Crest.. and aaaaaaaaaaaaaawaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy we go.

I expect things could change if sales take off. But keep in mind the other models are also here and GMC only sells 80K+ vs. the Nox at 260,000 units. They are pretty real about the Buick numbers unless they get surprised. Also if they have to add production I am not sure if China could support exporting more as their sales have been high. It may force them to move it here is demand warrants. Last year Terrain sold 94K and for 2015 will likely hit 111K.. , Nox was at 220K last year and is likely gonna hit 276K for 2015.. likely a bump of those sales for the Equinox came from the death of the Captiva.. which will be back, possibly a donation from the current Nox. Think "Equinox Classic"

the production of this vehicle in China vs the U.S. really comes down to reception and the already in mix factories with projected reception of other products in the pipe-line. The Envision's projected INITIAL sales would certainly influence whether it makes sense to produce in an overseas location of get tooling up and ready for a U.S. one. Also keep in mind that Cadillac is getting ready to add a few CUVs of its own in about a year. Trade aside.. this could have more to do with available capacity in line with projected numbers than anything else. At the end of the day.. it could actually become more expensive to bring it here from overseas for various reasons Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that the certain factories were closed or consolidated 5 years ago.. sales are technically booming for GM.. heck Detroit-Hamtramck just added a shift about 1 month ago to the tune of 1200 jobs

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Yup... having Lutz as CEO would have been almost as bad as having ME as CEO.. I would have blatantly told Toyota buyers who were taking their cars in for the Acceleration recall "I Told U So.. And Eff U if U don't buy Domestic now..." Non-Jokes aside.. yes. Wagoner and Co were heading the ship when it was going steadfast into an Iceberg.. they did what they had to do to survive. The GM now under Barra's watch is showing huge signs of LIFE.. Profitable.. strong.. products best in class in most segments they compete. Cadillac is hindered more by the products they DON'T HAVE than the ones they do. ATS and CTS are blasted for not having enough room in the rear for everyone' s non-existent.. or moocher friends. That's pretty much where the hate begins and ends.. OH.. and the Envision being imported from China despite Americans having no issue with importing everything else from China losing 10,000,000 jobs .. suddenly they are up in arms about losing 100 jobs..

Maybe I have slept through missing the bitching about executives being cribbed away. But Most people here do not care about that as much as the style of the auto's and naming convention. I would say I have seen minimal complaining about taking an executive away from another company and far more complaining about coping a style from others. Either way, If I was Johan, I would have gone with names for cadillac and use the alpha numeric for the global models if market research truly shows that is what Europe and Asia wants. Cadillac bringing in outsiders, ones that have worked with the luxury competition, Cadillac can be enlightened as to where the market is going and how they can lead in the future. I think that the move to New York will reap untold rewards. Its like the new ads that Uwe Ellinghaus has been putting forth. The New York buildings. The air of city life. The positive parts of grandiosity, of ostentatious(ness) is what luxury is all about. U just don't get that from a broken city in the midwest. I think that they were OK with using names.. but updated names. The names from the past, with exception to Fleetwood.. really should have not been used. They were OLD.. and depicted a time of old.

How so. There is still 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, and even higher.. Even if they use just the even numbers for sedans... U still have 5 sedans... Which is 2 more they currently do... If they need more.. They could whore out the odd (opposite) numbers like BMW with the Grand Coupes Cool...I see that what you are suggesting to me is that numbers on a number line are infinite. CT1000, CT2000 Maybe Cadillac could copy the Terminator way... T-100 T1000 and so forth... Casa, I understand the thought process of alphanumerics... But going up and down the number line is still boxing yourself up. Numbers are definitely infinite, and Cadillac really does not need an infinite amount of models either. I get that. But stupidity in alphanumerics is also infinite. And Cadillac cannot afford infinite amounts of stupidity. Im NOT sold on alphanumerics. The Germans had a decent logic to it, but even them they screwed it up... a 318 Bimmer had a 1.8 liter engine... a 325 Bimmer had a 2.5 liter engine... Yeah, I know...even efficient German CEOs complicated their life when they started over thinking things... "Like OMG!!!....we once had a 325 BMW 2.5 liter Inline 6...now we have a 2.3 liter 4 cylinder...we cant possibly call that a 323...becasue its too close to the 325 we did a decade ago and people will get confused that this is not an inline 6 but a 4 cylinder so we will just use random numbers higher up on the number line that has nothing to do with engine displacement....it dont matter that this how how we did it for the last 100 years....all of Europe actually...we will re-invent the wheel instead in confusing the peeps less..." The brand is more of value than the model name is what these alphanumerics are suppose to do... That would be on paper.... In real life...well, Like Drew said...Cadillac pays big bucks to Johan and Ellinghaus. I actually like what they are doing, even with the naming scheme....I still dont like alphanumerics though! Toyota already had T100 before the Tundra.. adding a 0 would serve to confuse people even more. My point had nothing to do with adding zeros.. and more to the idea that the CT7 could.. if it were the El Miraj.. be expanded into a CT7 GC the same way that BMW has done to the 6Series 4-door GC. Names mean little to me at this point.. the reason for the delve into Alphanumeric in the first place was to bring more focus on the name CADILLAC.. and not CTS. Escalade's iconic status was a fluke in a world that was shying away from big SUVs due to $3.50+ Regular gas prices from 2007-2014. The Lambdas were created, duplicating the size, for the most part, of the GMTs, FWD based.. more able to accommodate advanced drive-trains for this very reason. Gas prices went down.. GMTs as K2XX became hits.. advances in drivetrains made even the V8 more efficient.. and here we are. Escalade is an Iconic name, like Tahoe.. like Yukon and Denali. IMO... CTS is iconic at this point.. but its also the reason why I think the next CTS will be named CT"5." Because, quite frankly, on the rear of a current CTS.. it looks like the S is already a 5

I have no issue with Hyundai taking execs from other makers.. such as the Lambo guy for Genesis.. my issue comes into being when Hyundai decides to crib from other makers styling... with little shame. Anyone looking at the current Genesis and not able to see Audi is either blind or in denial

Finally Cadillac, has leadership that inspires confidence. I love it. Despite the constant berating of the detractors, Johan is seemingly pushing forth. Despite the actual desire of some for Cadillac to bow down to the Germans and except a place under them we have a foreign born leader saying “No.. We will rise back to our lofty position on TOP.” It is impossible to compare ATS sales to 3series sales unless the variances of both are at least 80% the same. These type of things are only reserved for Cadillac though.. and never brands such as Audi or Jag. It is funny when U think about those two, as both are currently in a similar sales fashion as Cadillac, with one of them actually boasting double their line-up. I will, personally, put on hold any discussing sales as a given metric for this particular brand. Triumph or failing.. it doesn’t matter because it is impossible to judge this brand on sales versus the two German brands at this point because of limited product and the ignorance of those who actually see the lack of presence in segments yet still attempt to compare the numbers. I await the vehicles. The CT6, the CTS-V etc. The actually named I have designs on actually purchasing. I have actual interest in being a buyer. Their outcome actually matters to me in that regard. Their sales?? I am one of those people who hates to see another CTS-V Coupe pull up next to me. I hate to see my Stingray duplicated on the other side of the road.. so I am not lathered in pride when I see a plethora or sea of whatever car I am driving in droves all around. Save that for the Camry.. or at this point the 3series buyer.. as any chance of exclusivity is gone way out the window. Yes. GM. Yes Cadillac. What I’m saying is prime. Make your vehicles desirable, but keep pricing in place setting a realistic sales goal for the allotted variances that U produce. Keep ATPs high. Trickle down technology and platforms to the lesser brands to gain profits thru mass mainstream in addition the top-end. My realization is that unlike BMW and Benz.. Cadillac has the upper-hand in not having to cater to the masses for survival, but it must make contributions like Audi does for VW. The ATS will soon share in cost sharing with the 90K per year Camaro and the CTS to boot. I would love to see a Regal on Alpha, or a “Riviera.” How can luxury truly be luxury if it is not exclusive?

There's a lot of truth to this. My dealer is a family owned business so it's easy to talk to the real owner, a friend of 20 years. He's also told me a few days ago that all the major luxury makes are seeing lower sedan/coupe sales and buyers have gone over to crossovers of varying sizes. And this was Cadillac's problem in that they only had one crossover to sell (SRX) but it was selling really well, even into it's final year. The XT5 should continue the trend but they need to get the three additional cars rumored in the development process to be truly competitive. At some point there will likely be an XT1, XT3 and XT7. The dealerships are pining for them but the XT5 is due up first in the spring with the XT3 bowing several months later. U are seeing a drop in sales due to the fact that Cadillac, out of all the "major" luxury makers in the U.S., is the only one offering less than two CUVs, the hottest selling segment on the market across the board. Cadillac's sole CUV is also its best seller. It is clear to me that even if the SRX were RWD it would sell in this enviroment. It is clear to me that if the XT3 and XT7 are based on Alpha and Omega, Delta or Lambda, Chi, Epsilon, or even GMT360, and were here TODAY, Cadillac would be selling in, at the very least Lexus numbers. It is to their detriment that they listen to some enthusiasts who only see RWD as teh second coming of automotive. It is to their detriment that they don't just take some of their existing platforms, already CUV used, and make them into, at the very least 2 more CUVs. Again.. 1) the SRX should remain.. rename it XT3 or 4.. change the front to visually make it shorter.. same for the rear, chopping off minimum 4 inches overall.. update the interior.. give it LGX along with a 2.0L Turbo option.. 2) If their is a LWB of the Chi platform then make it the XT6. Hell raise the Omega platform up 3 inches and go that route. I don't care. They want sales??? Then MAKE SALES by using GM's global toolbox.

How so. There is still 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, and even higher.. Even if they use just the even numbers for sedans... U still have 5 sedans... Which is 2 more they currently do... If they need more.. They could whore out the odd (opposite) numbers like BMW with the Grand Coupes

I get this.. But I owned a G6.. It had more room than a few full sized cars, especially in the rear. I used the backseat for things in such a way I'd hate to have anyone have ever gone over it with a blacklight.. Never a complaint

The ATS Coupe, Sedan, and CTS don't sell as well as the Gen 2 CTS for obvious, constantly repeated reasons: Let's do a a crazy kinda of analysis and thro the Gen two a bone.. in its best, mostly singular year.. 2011, that is without the Gen 1 CTS adding to sales, it did 55,042. That included the Coupe Wagon, and Sedan.. not to mention a VSeries of each. Ill even thro in the last remaining 3400 STS sales to sweet the pot. That would equal 58,450 odd CTS/Coupe/Wagon/VSeries+STS/and STS-V sales I'll use 2014 for CTS, ATS.. and U guessed it.. the same priced XTS since this year isn't over.. (I'll come back to that tho) : '14 CTS: 31,115 + ATS 29,890 + XTS 24,335 =85,340 Even if I take out the XTS.. U still had 61,005 CTS and ATS sales last year OK...OK... I see where this is going.. So I'll just do 2015.. "the Year of the CUV." "The year the CUV Pimp Slaps the Car.. of all makes" just so this silly argument can continue on for more pages: This year!!! HELL YES!!! The Year that despite all of us watching front seat to see what I've pointed out above... We still come back to this silliness... As of right now.. we are at 40,500 ATS Coupe/Sedan/VSeries trickling in+CTS sales (VSeries is not even really avilable yet). So 40,500 +December's probable yield, based on average sales, 4000 more by years end= 44,500 sales. That's about 14K less than 2011 CTS sales including the STS. OH!!! But wait!!! Can I bring the same priced XTS into this again??? Why not. XTS adds another 22K minimum by years end.. bring that car total up to 66,500 sales.. beating that 2011 peak year of the CTS Gen 2 Sedan/Wagon/Coupe/VSeries on all and STS combined total of 58K. Completely irrational huh??? It sheds waaaaaaaaaaaay too much light on the situation doesn't it??? But alas.. it doesn't paint CAdillac in the bad light that certain people want to paint it in.. so lets get back to the "PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE ALPHAS BECAUSE OF THE REAR SEAT ROOM rhetoric.Let's ignore the fact that the E-Class and 5Series are both down double digits this year. Let's ignore the fact that the Audi A4, A5, A6, A7, A8, and All-Road are DOWN DOWN DOWN...

I'm thinking more like 80/20. If they are seeking more interior room.. and the Omega platform is scalable.. they will go that way. In terms of exterior, but for the sake of the comparos.. say for the ATS/CTS...they need to be on par, if not exactly where the 3series is on the inside dimensions. and I mean EXACT or at least larger. Of course with the clowns that normally review these cars.. the ATS/CTS could stretch that interior out an extra inch larger than the 3/5Series, and suddenly the reviewers would then say that the car is so large there's an echo. All jokes aside.. I think the intent is for the CT4 (ATS) and CT5 (CTS I guess) will get interior dimensions enlarged via the ATS moving up to the CTS's current WB, and the CTS moving into the Omega platform. Similar to what BMW does with the 7, 6, and 5 all being on the same platform I just think they have to use the Alpha platform for the current cars for a bit longer. At least one big MCE before it switches to the new platform, but that means 6 to 7 years from now. I agree.. I just think the the capacity or numbers will come from the sub ATS.. and a few other cars or CUVs, just not the CTS

Again, the XTS.. right under the same roof as the CT6 has a standard 3.6L. U are forgetting weight advantage. U are forgetting that the 2.0L, I truly believe, is gonna be rare like a Snow Leopard

Lawd have mercy! I would so rock that car! Thanks for the fix.. And yes... the Buick brand should have gotten this the day that Saab was kicked away. The 9-3 SportCombi TurboX was the SHIZ

I'm thinking more like 80/20. If they are seeking more interior room.. and the Omega platform is scalable.. they will go that way. In terms of exterior, but for the sake of the comparos.. say for the ATS/CTS...they need to be on par, if not exactly where the 3series is on the inside dimensions. and I mean EXACT or at least larger. Of course with the clowns that normally review these cars.. the ATS/CTS could stretch that interior out an extra inch larger than the 3/5Series, and suddenly the reviewers would then say that the car is so large there's an echo. All jokes aside.. I think the intent is for the CT4 (ATS) and CT5 (CTS I guess) will get interior dimensions enlarged via the ATS moving up to the CTS's current WB, and the CTS moving into the Omega platform. Similar to what BMW does with the 7, 6, and 5 all being on the same platform

It was a no-brainer years ago.. GM could effectively counter Subaru with Buick.. they way they could seriously counter and beat Jeep with GMC (using Hummer name as trim)

One could go out on a limb and THINK that the boys at Buick could add the 2.0LTurbo to the Lacrosse line-up if a Park Ave shows up. Its a foregone conclusion that an Omega based PA will show up. At that time, the Lacrosse would systematically lose its status as the top Buick. U are aware that at Cadillac currently.. the XTS starts out with a standard 3.6L with 304 hp 264 lb-ft of torque? The CT6 will start out with a base 2.0L Turbo with Automatic Stop/Start BTEW.. anyone else find it curious that Cadillac has this on their website pertaining to the 2.0Lturbo? (TBD - SAE certification pending) It does not state that the 2.0L has 268HP 295lb of torque.. which makes me wonder what they are up to. Can add the 2.0T? They would have to have built it that way in the first place for China. The only change would be needed is in the order book for US dealerships. Precisely. If the time came that the LaX was displaced as the top Buick then U're right.. the order book would just need to be changed, engines made available to the Detroit-Hamtramck factory line. Point is that the CT6 has to debute.. a Cadillac on Omega has to debut on dealer lots and sell a year's worth in order for the Buick line to get one as the PA.. or Avenir.. or whatever they want to call it. For the time being.. the Lacrosse with a 3.6L is top dog at Buick.

The SRX should be their XT4 for the time being.. Until the new smaller CUV arrives... I'd even thro in the current Acadia as an XT6 for a year of two until the new larger CUV arrives. Both slightly upgraded of course. People here will squawk while buyers BUY. Replace the V6 with LGW or LF3 in both.. tuned to 390 would = The Armchair CEO shuts it's complaining mouth. Sometimes GM should NOT listen to enthusiasts .. I can scour the pages of the Internet and read hundreds of posts that said the FWD SRX was gonna be flop.. the same for the XTS. When rumor was going around that the Lambdas were coming to Cadillac.. dozens cried "NO!!!" It was at that time Cadillac was considering making a CUV move that we were crying.. and I think they, to their own folly.. listened. (Buick did the same with the Saturn Vue derived Envision back in 2010.. and now look what has happened Also.. we should remember what JDN said a few months ago about the next "CTS" and next "ATS" we should be seeing a simple change of size formula for the sake of these issues that critics have brought up about the legroom etc. I'm thinking for the most part the Alpha based ATS replacement will essentially get the Chinese ATS-L Wheelbase of 112.6 inch vs what it has right now of 109.3. This would dwarf the current 3series' 110.6 in WB by a few inches. I think that the ATS replacement will be, along with the Sub-ATS, the only Cadillacs on the Alpha platform, with the Camaro helping out with the numbers a bit more. The CTS replacement will probably go to Omega. I could see it staying at 196 inchs.. and getting a bump in Wheelbase (currently at 114.6 inches) too coming in at around 117 in N.Amer, like the 5Series. It has been said that the CT6 handles as well as the current CTS.. so certainly I would think that an Omega based... smaller than CT6... CTS would handle as well or better, not losing any of its agility, and losing a few hundred lbs in the change over. This would be beneficial in amortizing the Omega platform even quicker.. (altho I would still push it out to an Impala at Chevy and a Park Ave or Avenir at Buick) along with the CT7 and CT8