Cmicasa the Great

I can go on cars.com right now and still find plenty of new "old body style "C-classes, including coupes... Haven't even been titled yet. In 2015? Way more '14,13s avail. The new CClass was helped by incentive based old C-Class. This is like an F150 argument saying that it's only sales were from the Aluminum one for 2015. Get real Francis. It probably has an even greater reason to do with the drop in CLA sales. Why buy that pos when one can get a pre-change, more masculine looking older new C-Class for the same coin or less?

The Enclave outclasses it and the seriously rubs noses with the MKT.. the closest thing I can think of over at the Lincoln brand, sans the Ugliness. The thing is that I truly believe that U have not been in a Buick in the last 20 years.. U shoot off at the mouth constantly how great Ford is because it pays your paycheck. I talk up Ford just as you ooze all things GM. hypocrite much??? I love GM because I own their cars and love everyone of them that I buy. U love Ford because they pay your effin paycheck. LOL.. as so many of your very own family buys GM tho. Of course U will hit me with a story about how your niece's Camaro almost killed her or left her stranded.. and she hates GM now and bought a punk ass Muskank

Speaking of Buick.. did anyone see this tidbit out on the Web??? AutoNews This is interesting.. and if it is Alpha based. suggests that what I've been saying about the CTS moving to Omega as a "SWB CT6" called CT5 is true.. and that the bulk of Alpha sales will be coming from non-Cadillac vehicles. Hell.. Camaro plant just added another shift at the plant.. a Rivera on Alpha would be sexy hot

and where does it stop? If you are going to discount certain makes then why not go further and discount certain models like the CLA, which is no more a luxury car than some of the Buicks SMK wants to criticize for the same exact thing. It doesn't with him. With him.. in the luxury ballgame... it would seem that sales numbers are the true relevant position to tout how luxury a brand is.. Despite the fact that luxury car sales growth.. ironically lie in and seems to be coming from bottom feeder vehicles like the CLA, GLA, and A3. With the 3/4series vs the ATS for instance.. go figure. An 8 year old could have figured it out. The answer is: The ATS sells in just two variations.. a Sedan and a coupe, while the the 3/4series has a Coupe, a Convertible, an M, a diesel, a wagon, and a Grand Turismo, hell the 4series comes in a SEDAN too. Anyone with a 4th grade education might realize that YES.. ATS isn't gonna sell in 3 Series or C-Class numbers without offering more variety. Certain parties will argue that the Vert.. M.. Diesel by themselves probably only account for a small percentage of the sales.. but I'd like to point out that those numbers add up. BTW.. the Convertible alone accounts for 15% of 4series sales. I won't even mention that 3 series/C-Class have the advantage of segment loyalty.. and being in that 180-184 inch segment for 25 years tends to help. I'm perfectly happy with the Cadillac sedans not selling in 3series E-Class numbers while they are reestablishing themselves in the market place. The CTS did sell well when it was running full on.. I even once got into an argument with a guy saying that the reason why the CTS was down was strictly because of the loss of the Wagon. Some's take on it is a bit marred tho. Look at their ideas that the at the CTS WAGON was to drool over and U will possibly see that those people are not completely in tune with the market all around despite your observations. In America.. wagons are niche. The only brand that succeeds in making wagons is Subaru.. and that has more to do with those wagons being of the tallish variety.. more like CUVs. Remember them? The best selling and hottest market entity there is right now in this country.. Bringing me to: The SRX. It, and the Escalade are hot sellers because they are CUV/SUVs. Lower investment is relative. Platform sharing is not and issue. The addition of the Camaro to the Alpha program will drop costs. GM will most likely add another. Omega should also get the same treatment at Chevy and Buick. A change of exotic materials to more mainstream ones at those brands would lower costs even more. The addition of the CT7 and CT8.. possibly XTs above the XT5 would take it even further

I kno I've been out of it for a while.. but I love pulling tidbits of beat downs I gave to Mercedes fans around the web CLA sales started off with an ATP in the $38K range.. but when people realized that they were getting a "Focus with a Benz Badge" and not a C-Class replacement. Those semi-intelligent people (I say Semi, because if they were really smartthey would have bought an ATS ) dropped that ATP down to $33,500. I expect it to continue to drop. Mercedes has made an effort to bring in consumers who have tighter budgets. Its CLA-class vehicles start at roughly $31,500, below August’s average transaction price of $33,543 according to Kelley Blue Book data. Look.. I put it up in LIGHTS Also.. Chevy sells $80K Tahoes and Suburbans there too... but I didn't include them because they don't call themselves luxury despite many of their offering coming off as such. Been in a Tahoe lately.. epitome of luxury even by Range Rover standards. If U are silly enough to degrade a Tahoe buyer from the seat of your imaginary RR.. then have at it. I'm pretty sure he is more content with his purchase.. most likely going further without any real issues.. and obviously the more intelligent. Same for Escalade, and certainly YUKON owners

Its not just the Sprinter. Its the CLA and GLA... seriously anyone telling me that a CLA is any better than a Cruze.. let alone a Verano needs to.. in Oldshurst fashion:

The Enclave outclasses it and the seriously rubs noses with the MKT.. the closest thing I can think of over at the Lincoln brand, sans the Ugliness. The thing is that I truly believe that U have not been in a Buick in the last 20 years.. U shoot off at the mouth constantly how great Ford is because it pays your paycheck.

If I had of ommited Buick, I would have had to omit Acura, Lincoln, and Volvo. While those 3 are sort of the bottom feeders of the luxury range, they are well above Buick. If you compare base price of similar sized vehicles: Verano $21,065 ILX $27,900 S60 $34,150 (no small Lincoln) Regal $27,065 TLX $31,695 S80 $43,450 MKZ $35,190 LaCrosse $31,065 RLX $54,450 (no large Volvo) MKS $38,850 Encore $24,065 Envision $ ??? RDX $35,370 XC60 $36,600 MKC $33,260/MKX $38,260 Enclave $39,065 MDX $43,015 XC90 $49,800 MKT $43,210 The Enclave is the only place Buick is close, and the MKS is dead, I am guessing the Continental will be over $40k. If Buick was a luxury brand they would be competing with Cadillac. As I said.. if I omitted Buick I would have to omit those other brands. If U consider a $6K price difference, still residing in the $20-30K range for both is the epitome of what determines superiority then U are much further gone than I feared. If the ILX is priced above the Verano and people pay it then those people are fools, cause there ain't jack about the ILX that justifies it be priced higher than the Verano.. except the idiot feature.

I forgot how... U kno what? High road. The H2, imo, was never unattractive.. Just ostentatious, along with polarizing, a love/hate.

If I had of ommited Buick, I would have had to omit Acura, Lincoln, and Volvo.

The Porsche dealers in my area are coupled. GM filing BK had nothing to do with its having as many brands.. it had to do with the definition of those brands.

And premium trimmed Ford cars, trucks and SUV's outsell Buick and GMC combined. Easily.Congrats to BMW. Well deserved. Titanium/Platinum as a trim does not necessarily a premium trim make. On the F150s and Explorer, yes. On the Fusion, Focus, Escape, and Edge etc, the distinction is far far less clear.Its translucent... No.. Opaque. Put a Titanium Fusion, hell put a Fusion made of titanium next to a normal Fusion, and I'd be hard pressed to tell yourself why U spent the extra coin. Buick? There is a level of cache attached to it. Ford Titanium? Not at all.

Japan manipulates the Eff outta currency... in favor of its brands.. Toyota also has a lineup of "par" vehicles... covered in new shells. Lack of legacy costs.. GM still has despite BK... because they went the humane route.. Get off your ass and research.. Or better yet.. stop slobbing all over every foreign knob U see

Well 150k certainly puts it above Lincoln and such.. Denali should be expanded

Amazing that Jaguar is so lauded by some yet sells in numbers that even the extremely niche Maserati can't help but see as obtainable. Note to GM.. if Porsche can pull in 52K sales with several 911s, a Cayman, a Boxster, a Cayanne, a Macan, and a Panamera.. certainly the Corvette Division could pull it off after a year of 33K Vettes sold with only the Stingray and Z06. Corvette CUV, tall wagon, based on Alpha..with VSeries drivetrain= YUMMY Chevy doesn't need the Vette anymore. The Camaro would do fine as the Flagship, especially once the Z28 or ZL1 arrive. Furthermore.. how about getting out in front of GMC's Denali line and promoting it separately? Out of GMC's whopping 559K sales.. if the percentage still holds true of 25% Denali. we are looking at 149K Denalis sold.. equaling massive profits

Helped by a plethora of CUVs, the hottest selling segment, and the on fire 4-series, BMW managed to stave off Lexus, its German rivals, and Cadillac for the fourth year in a row. BMW(+1.4%) finished 2015 with 346,023 sales. Lexus (+10.7), not far behind with 344,601 sales came in at number two, just 1,422 fewer. The 4-series, which despite BMW being propelled in terms of growth mostly by CUVs, was the lone stalwart car nameplate to actually show gains. Although the 1/2-series were up 77%, it must be noted that they are, for all intents new entries after the 1-series was discontinued in 2014 and re-pinned the 2-series for 2015. The 3,5,6, and 7-Series, in addition to the Z4, were all down Buick Motor Co. (-2.6%) came in at 223,055, while the top 5 was rounded off by Audi(11.1%+) , in lieu of VW's diesel debacle managed to pull off a spot as number four with 202,202 sales. Honda's Acura (5.6%+) posted a respectable bump in sales with 177,165. Special notice goes to American make Cadillac (2.6%+). In a strong effort, and touting six nameplates, two less than it's nearest competitor Acura, and a whopping ten less than the perceived luxury leader Mercedes Benz, came from a dismal 2014, to a rise in sales with 175,267 sales. Cadillac expects growth in 2016 as it introduces the all new XT5 crossover and first ever CT6 large executive class Saloon. Luxury car sales in the United States in 2015 1) BMW - 346,023 - up 1.8 percent 2) Lexus - 344,601 - up 10.7 percent 3) Mercedes-Benz - 343,088 - up 3.8 percent 4) Buick Motor Co. 223,055- down 2.6 percent 5) Audi - 202,202 - up 11.1 percent 6) Acura - 177,165 - up 5.6 percent 7) Cadillac - 175,267 - up 2.6 percent 8 )Infiniti - 133,498 - up 13.8 percent 9) Lincoln - 101,227 - up 7.1 percent 10) Land Rover - 70,582 - up 37 percent 11) Volvo - 70,047 - up 24.3 percent 12) Porsche - 51,756 - up 10.1 percent 13) Jaguar - 14,466 - down 8 percent 14) Maserati - 11,697 - down 9.6 percent 15) Bentley - 2,686 - down 10.6 percent 16) Rolls-Royce - 1,140 - up 2.6 percent You can view the complete set of 2015 year end sales figures at our Auto Sales Figure Ticker, or view our archives going back to 2005 in our Auto Sales Figure Archives. View full article

LOL.. gotta wonder if one would see the same gains as they did in the Cruze with the same engine. +44whp in the Encore.. damn nice. Wonder when is the 1.6L supposed to show up in the Buick? 153HP/177lbs moves it along very nice.... but 197HP would be even better I've already been told "don't hold your breath" on the 1.6T in the Encore. The new 1.4T is it for now. I don't need huge gains, but every little bit would help. Edit: Unless you got the Encore ST (which you didn't), you have 138hp, not 153. Window sticker confirms what U said.. looked up stats on line to my own detriment...

Technically Cadillac's image problem is not due to its current cars, but its cars of the past being too American, and set for the upper-crusted snoots of America decades before. It could fix this image problem if they would simply pick up where they started with the "Break-through ads of the early 2000s. Cadillac doesn't need the EXT.. it needs that H2 I posted above. The H2 was the epitome of brash and bold. It wouldn't hurt if they allowed it to be a real off-roader this time, perhaps buiding it on the new GM GMT31XX platform in an expanded form... cause let's be for real.. the current Colorado is essentially the full-size truck of a few gens past

LOL.. gotta wonder if one would see the same gains as they did in the Cruze with the same engine. +44whp in the Encore.. damn nice. Wonder when is the 1.6L supposed to show up in the Buick? 153HP/177lbs moves it along very nice.... but 197HP would be even better

They have the CTS-VSport with +74Whp and 81lbs of torque

No it does not yet have aftermarket goodies, but it's inevitable. Every other GM turbo has brand name tunes available and an unlocked ECU for private tuners. I bet the performance goodies will blow up once it's in the Cruze and other vehicles. Just one regular family sedan won't have too many aftermarket complained with knocks on their door asking for exhaust or intakes.. But it's inevitable that they will use the 1.5 in a handful of vehicles. If people get lucky it could be the performance SS option in the Sonic. That's help the aftermarket option! A tuner called Trifecta has tunes for every engine of the Malibu from 2008 through 2015 (except for the hybrids). I'm sure they're already trying to get their hands on a new Malibu to be first on the market. They also tune the Sonic and Cruze. Do you have a link to that? The ones I'm finding in google only support the Cadillacs. That's an off-site. Trifecta is http://www.wot-tuning.com/forums/page/index.html TRIFECTA: +44 WHP and +51 ft-lbs on Chevrolet Cruze 1.4T MY2011-2015 Considered them for my Impala and then decided that I had enough power on tap to get me into trouble. Specifications of the TRIFECTA Performance Chevrolet Impala MY2014+ 3.6 LFX ECM software reprogramming: -Gains of +14 ft-lbs and +20 WHP under the curve (and +14 ft-lbs and +16 WHP peak on 91 octane) -Powertrain calibration has been tested and validated for various environments, such as cold/heat, elevation, and variations in fuel quality -Power feels linear and immediately responsive (improved drivability and throttle attentiveness) -Retains all GM OE diagnostics and ECM functionality -Retains all OE error code reporting and functionality -Emissions readiness checks are present; emissions compliant -Maintains functionality of ABS and TC systems -Knock detection mechanisms and OE engine knock detection sensitivity is retained -The TRIFECTA flash loader and Transparency featureset does not increment the ECM write counter or increment entries in the flash history -Return to stock functionality included with flash loader

That's pretty asinine. Bentley sells an SUV, Benz and Lambo both have/are selling quasi-military vehicles. Cadillac is its own company, with its own heritage. The fact that it can now outgun German luxury sedans as well is just an amusing side note from its recent history. U and I kno some people speak outta their corn-hole and love a stance of hypocrisy. Luxury buyers shunned Cadillac for selling this: but not Benz for selling a delivery truck

While a Cadillac pickup wouldn't sell outside of North America, a new Escalade EXT would do very well for profits. The only reason it went away is because the Avalanche went away. The reason the Avalanche went away is because they didn't think they'd have the capacity in Arlington TX when the SUV production moved there (and they appear to have been right). Arlington is being expanded, but if that means a return of the Avalanche and EXT is anyone's guess. If I remember correctly..part of the reason why U saw a dip in K2XX sales was because they had to pull back on fleet sales due to capacity issues at the Arlington plant. Makes sense for an expansion.. if and only if the price of gas remains low for a while.

Whats funny about U is that U consistently want Cadillac to be "American..." and return to names.. be brash.. but then U say something contradictory like that. I don't kno one EFFIN EXT owner who is characterized as a "Hick" or "Redneck." Many of the owners of the EXT that I kno are well established professionals, that would dash to the hand-car-wash if even a spec of dust got to their Cadillac "truck." Hell. .that applies to the Avalanche owners as well. Come to think of it.. I always thought that the omission of GMC from the Avalanche re-badge was quite weird. After all.. the Yukon XL is the exact same as the Suburban it was based off. While I won't sit here and say the EXT should return to Cadillac.. I will say that the Avalanche and a GMC version should appear. Cadillac? A Nice elegant "G-Wagon" alternative would be perfect. Bring back the H2.. but for Cadillac.. while the H3 and H3T go to GMC. Looks like Art and Science to me.. elegant too.. with the "Vseries"ish grille