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It is part and parcel of the game. Clinton won NH, but Obama took 1 delegate more than her.

Noice!! Some people cannot let off the cool aid they drink so forgive them.

What can you expect hyper, they LX platform is heavy to begin with and this car does not do any justice to weight saving. The car may be shorter, but I think it is wider than the Charger.

A good vehicle. Better looking than the Outlook for sure. May be that is how the Next Equi will cover it. I tend to agree with you. And I am also fearing that it will eat up other Lambdas sale upto a certain extent, esp. GMC and Saturn (not that Saturn has too many sales). A good designed minivan with some innovative features would have been a perfect blend for Chevy.

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Mr. Dart. Smart is not a bad vehicle. When I sat in the NAIAS I found it to be roomy and seats neat. Like you said to putt around probably it is good. What scares me is the thought of a F350 T-boning while putting. That will not be a pretty site.

I had a soft spot for Lancia too and it is the 8.32 which is fascination part. However, lately their design seems to be more French than Italian. The front is little bit Jag, Chinese and French influence. The center stack for the Delta appears to be ordinary gives me vibe of S Type and previous generation Avalon.

Is that why we see the same buttons and cruise control knobs on the Corrolla and the Avalon? What is that Taco counters? The truth is no car manufacturer is perfect. The fact that you assume that Toyota is still good based on 80's products and neglecting that it was the recall king couple of years prior is the same assumption as Detroit sucked in 80's so it sucks now. And didn't you tell somebody else in the other thread to check their grammar? Your grammar is not quite correct either.

Yup, there was a grapevine for RWD Lucerne, but not the LaCrosse.

It could be better. I hate the four spoke steering from Chry. It is Fugalacious. Center stack looks old.

I don't see a reason of why not in cars.

True upto a certain extent. But the profitability of GM overall also depends on differentiation. GM cannot think of profitability and or volume if they keep only three or four brands like Toyota. There are two types of customers GM has broadly, which is upto a certain extent is unique compared to Japanese brands. One is the loyal, "enthusiast" who wants the brands and products which make him feel nostalgic about GM, and other is one who is trendy, ready to acquire anything that is cool and hip. GM needs to balance those. A customer who is already a customer is better than customer who needs to be reached and educated. Both SAAB and Hummer do not have any stand alone designed and developed product in the future. Which means either or both of the brands could be killed or ignored. But then you are ignoring customer #1. GM acknowledges customer #1 and thus needs to satiate him through keeping the brands going.

What I meant was 6-8K beyond the existing premium which one pays for the V-8's. Which means a base price of 32-34K. Good luck shoving those in the throats of the customers.

The article sounds to me like PCS making his point. Regardless, the theory and explanation given in the article are too vague. Just a rough estimate is that to recover the "volume" of the Zetas, GM may have to increase the price of only V-8's by $ 6-7K. That is being ultra unrealistic. They can never get them out of the door at that price leap. Moreover, V-6 for majority of market share anyways, so stating that V-6 exists for the Camaro is like stating the obvious. It seems like GM insiders are giving a sweet first (by showing the RWD Denali Concept) and hitting with a baton with this news. The 1mpg theory is ridiculous. If this asinine theory exists and becomes a reality, it would be fun to watch Impala and Malibu killing each other if they both go FWD (according to these "brand strategists"), and then GM can really talk about loss both monetory and market share. LaCrosse was never designated to be a RWD it is the Lucerne which was the concern so stating LaCrosse being killed is humorous. Again, this article, I think upto a certain extent is BS and or hidden FWD humpers agenda to get out in the public. This idea if moves to fruition will end up damaging, as it shows GM's inability to not innovate and stick to old ideas of "corporate culture" read bean countering.

Linkity Camaro Goes Hybrid, As GM Axes Rear-Drive Impala, LaCrosse? General Motors has been forced to rework the investment case for the Chevrolet Camaro in the wake of new fuel-economy rules adopted this past December. The Camaro will still be built, but higher-end V-8 versions likely will be priced higher than expected. As for other planned GM rear-drivers–a new Chevrolet Impala, Buick LaCrosse and the replacement for the Pontiac G8 due this spring–all have been dropped along with a new V-8 engine GM was contemplating building. "You can't kill something that was never approved," said one GM official, who asked for anonymity but who confirmed the rear-wheel-drive projects are now dead. Stew Low, a spokesman for GM of Canada, said the Camaro project is safe and is moving forward. The GM of Canada plant in Oshawa, Ontario outside of Toronto should be ready to build the first Camaro late this year, Low said. Buzz Hargrove, president of the Canadian Auto Workers union, said that GM is spending $2.5 billion in Oshawa - including $435 million from the Ontario and Canadian federal governments. "We anticipated that would be followed by other rear-wheel-drive vehicles, but the money they spent on the plant makes it a flex plant, so you can build both front-drive and rear-wheel-drive in the facility,'' Hargrove told reporters in Canada. Only a proposal for new ultra-luxury rear-wheel-drive Cadillac seems to still have a chance of making it through GM's product development process and into production. Even that project, though, may well depend on how the Environmental Protection Agency writes the rules enforcing the new fuel-economy standards. The death of the other rear-drive GM vehicles also has implications for the final pricing of the Camaro when it goes on sale next year. Last year, GM vice chairman Robert Lutz had told TheCarConnection.com that the rear-wheel-drive platform developed for the Camaro would support other vehicles as part of GM's effort to make the project financially manageable. Spinning more vehicles from one platform spreads the costs around and is the most efficient and effective way for GM to use its available capital, Lutz has said. As part of global product strategy GM plans to use fewer but more flexible platforms that would accommodate a wider range of vehicles and vehicle designs. Specifically, the new Camaro platform could be used for other rear-drive vehicles, Lutz said he said before the fuel-economy debate had heated up in Congress. Part of the reason for the delay in moving forward with the Camaro project revolved around extending the utility of the fundamental architecture so it could serve as the platform for other vehicles as well, he said. The new fuel-economy rules, however, have basically forced GM to reconsider its extensive plans for rear-wheel-drive vehicles. Rear-wheel-drive trucks and SUVs are safe for now because the new federal rules will allow some wiggle room for trucks. GM, though, is not in a position to absorb the roughly 1-mpg fuel-economy penalty that comes with building rear-wheel-drive passenger cars, GM insiders said in the wake of the North American International Auto Show in Detroit. However, GM's decision to scrap the other rear-drive models is putting an enormous cost burden on the new Camaro. GM officials are saying they should be able to recover some of the investment costs in the new rear-wheel-drive platform by selling the vehicles in places such as Australia, the Middle East and China. Australia, however, has a new government that takes global warming very seriously. China is imposing new fuel-economy standards that are as tough as those found in the United States and one of the largest vehicle markets in the Middle East, Iran, is off limits to American car companies. Nevertheless, GM desperately wants to price the new Camaro competitively against vehicles like the new Dodge Challenger and particularly the Ford Mustang, which pretty much inherited the segment after GM withdrew the Camaro earlier in the decade. With a new generation of rear-wheel-drive vehicles consigned to the never-built file somewhere in the company's engineering office, GM now is working on a plan B for Camaro. GM chairman Richard Wagoner has already confirmed a V-6 engine will be part of the Camaro package. While the concept Camaro has come with V-8 engine, a V-6 would serve as basic engine for the production Camaro and would help keep prices competitive. Meanwhile, Tom Stephens, the head of GM's Powertrain Group, told reporters recently that turbocharging can help boost both fuel economy and horsepower. The V-8 version of the Camaro is very likely carry a substantial premium and GM is thought to have assigned a team of engineers to work out how to apply its new dual-mode hybrid system for an even more expensive version of the Camaro.

Umm Deep Red Metallic? Seriously, GM is skimming corners by not giving those colors here. Or may be they want to evaluate the G8 for one model year, before they unleash it.

This still does not justify trusting ####umor Magazine. It is simple, if they would have voted against these cars, the people would have lost trust in them like they have been, they played it safe than sorry. Seriously while Acura quality is better, G35 plastic and quality is subpar and to rate it above MB and Caddy is really asinine.

So Toy was an ass and arrogant thinking people will still buy their crap at higher prices, when other manufacturers followed the exchange rate trend and now it claims sanctity? Priceless....... Toyota show perceptions of moving forward.

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Griffon it seems like you are smitten by the concept.

To me it is an undercooked engine as GM likes to reduce the output in trucks compared to cars. Take the example of LS2, it is rated 367hp in the GMT 900s while it had 400hp in the Vettes, GTO and the CTS-V. The LS3 in Yukon Denali is 390hp, while 436 in the new vette. I think GM can easily squeeze close to 360 hp in this motor.

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