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Still a pretty slow ramp up. Maybe the plan is to introduce iD7 in 2024 and by 2026 be up to 20,000 units per year.

We know they will over price it, and we know it won't sell. We already saw that story play out with the iD4 and the aforementioned Arteon. VW came out with a lower priced iD4 since launch and has the tax credit this year and did get a sales bump, but they sold 9700 in Q1 in the US vs like 100,000 Tesla Model Y. And the Model Y cut prices twice this month, so now you can get them for iD4 money, and the Model Y is faster with more range and the Model Y is bigger and roomier. When Tesla hits the 20 million units a year level, VW is going to be one of the losers, although not in the big loser list like Honda, Nissan/Renault/Mitsubishi, Mazda and Subaru. VW probably drops to like 6 million units a year in 2035, those other ones might not even be here.

It has pretty good power and performance for the price point, but it is a C-class or 3-series size car which can whip this in performance, granted they cost more. The C63 has over twice the horsepower. If Acura really wanted "incredible performance" they should have put over 600 hp in this car, not 320. Probably this will be high $40s, a CLA35 is a good comparable for it price and performance wise. CT4-V is pretty close also. Sporty cars, but not the top tier performance.

I'd take a Tesla over this thing. The VW Arteon looked better than this car and was allergic to sales at $40,000. This will be a sales bust in the USA, might do okay in Europe and China, but China also has EV price wars galore going on. If they did a Golf or Jetta EV (that isn't a 100 mile range compliance car) that might do well in the US since those 2 cars have had some success here. Passat, Phaeton, CC, Arteon were all sales duds back when sedans sold, and now the masses don't want sedans. The Mercedes hyper screen is ridiculous but at least it isn't tacked on top of the dash, they build it in. But I would prefer the non hyper screen cars to get wood trim or actual materials in the car, not just screens everywhere.

$66,000 for a TLX? Um, no.

Not a fan of the super short trunk lid and I wish every car wasn’t just big screens inside but that is the trend. It is kind of boring looking but most VW’s are. Hard to have an opinion until we know what the price is.

Tesla Model Y Long Range is now cheaper than a Nautilus even before the tax credit and gas savings.

The Buick Envista base price is actually less than the 2024 Trax and Trailblazer. Buick isn’t mid-Lux anymore, they are basically a dumping ground for GM global products how Saturn used to be. They could make Denali a Chevy trim and not need GMC. I think GMC is mainly around because of the dealer agreements, and it isn’t worth paying off all those dealers off. If GM was starting from scratch today it would probably be Chevy-Cadillac, but they are 100 years into this model and aren’t going to change it now.

I meant black plastic body cladding.

Because... money.

Body cladding = SUV. This standard was set by the 90s Pontiac Montana.

This brands naming scheme makes no sense. Also makes no sense that they have like 17 dealers, and very low production volume. This thing has Jaguar I-Pace shape, and that didn't sell. I don't see how this brand makes any money, eventually the Chinese will probably get tired of subsidizing it.

You can find plenty of forums with GM and Ford quality issues too, Northstar V8 and Triton V8, enough said there. Here is the 10 year resale from Car Edge on the Lexus and Lincoln, the Lincoln after 10 years is worth $10,000 less and $9,000 less after just 5 years. And the Aviator actually has the same 45% drop in 5 years. These Lincolns are bad resale, which is why people buy a Lexus, because when they go to sell it in 5-10 years, it is worth way more money.

2024 Lincoln Nautilus pricing with destination: Premier: $51,810 Reserve: $56,145 Black Label: $75,860 2023 Lincoln Aviator Standard: $53,340 Reserve: $59,005 Black Label $80,725 These are pretty close in price, and all those Nautilus prices are with the 2.0T, if you add the $1500 Hybrid that gets the power a little closer to the Aviator, it is basically the same price.

The RX may be a blah, but the Lexus build quality and reliability leads to low ownership cost and high resale value. A used car buyer won't touch a GM 3.6 V6 with 150,000 miles on it, when people won't think twice about a 200,000 mile Lexus. My aunt is on her 2nd ES350, the first she put about 220k miles on then passed on to my cousin who has been driving it the past 2 years, that car might be nearing 250k miles at this point. And that's dealing with Minnesota winter abuse too. And good on Mazda for doing rear drive and a straight 6, but that probably could have been used 5 years ago. Seems like hybrids and turbo 4 or EV has been the trend, and they are setting up 10 years of a thirsty 6 cylinder that makes turbo 4 power.

And those good vehicles usually come from Tesla and Toyota. But I’d take the Lincoln over a Nissan/Infiniti, Acura or an XT5, although this costs more than an XT6. And you can’t trust Land Rover or Alfa Romeo reliability. The Cadillac Lyric with the tax credit is cheaper than the Nautilus. That seems like a no brainer.

The Encore is still on their website, but the Encore GX and Envista will suffice for 2024 model year I am sure. And really the whole line up is pretty disappointing, there are a lot of better SUV's than an Envision, and Palisade, Telluride or Mazda CX-90 are better than an Enclave. GM's crossovers are pretty aged and tired. And if they don't care because they are just letting them run out the clock and putting money in EVs, that's fine, as long as they can crank up EV production in a hurry.

I can't figure out if I am more surprised that the Nautilus is still on the market, or that they actually spent money to redesign it.

I don't think they need AWD, not everyone does, and they went for price and simplicity of trim levels and single power train, which is how you keep cost down. Buyers over estimate the need for AWD, just like they over estimate the need for 300+ mile EV's when they only drive 25 miles a day. This actually undercuts the Encore by $3,000, which I am not sure why that old Encore is even around still, but in that regard this should sell because it looks better than the other 2 small Buick SUVs and it is the cheapest Buick SUV.

The price is attractive, it is pretty cheap, if you can live with the weak power train and no AWD. Which the Kia Seltos has AWD and a 1.6 turbo optional. The Corolla Cross has more power too. But if you want crossover coupe, here you go.

That’s overkill of plastic crap.

In your own example the cheapest Mach-E in 2021 was $42k, right now it is $50k with half the Tax credit amount. Thus the price went up. The cheapest Model Y in 2022 was $65,990 with no tax credit, now the cheapest Model Y is $49,990 with a $7500 credit (if the buyer qualifies of course) dropping it to $42,490. It is $23k less at a time when every other car has rising prices. Once you factor in gasoline and maintenance it is probably cheaper to buy a Model Y than most midsize ICE SUVs.

The cheapest Mach-E you can order is the California Route 1 at $57k. I did search Shults Ford who has 2 in stock, 1 Select at $50,535 and 2022 Premium at $58,815. And that is assuming they sell at msrp which I think they do but some dealers still mark up. They are in similar price points before tax credit but the big difference is Tesla makes money and Ford is losing money on every EV they sell. Tesla can afford to cut prices because they have shredded manufacturing cost so much. Ford can’t afford to do that, probably why the F150 Lightning price is up 50% since launch and still not profitable. And they could get away with that since there aren’t other EV pick ups except the high dollar Rivian. when the Ram, Chevy, Cybertruck hit hit market there is going to be competition on price.

How are they ramping up if they sold less cars? Ford, Hyundai and Kia all said they would produce more EVs in 2023 than in 2022, yet we see sales down 8% on Ioniq 5, down 19% on Mach-E, down 36% on EV6 in the US, but the EV6 is down in Europe too. Tesla 3/Y sales globally were up 44% in Q1 of 2023 and set a record for their best quarter ever. These legacy OEMs have been saying for years they are ramping up, but they aren’t actually doing it. Tesla is going to sell over 1 million Model Y this year, so Ford should be setting a goal of 1 million Mach-E if they want to be on par with Tesla. And same with Kia or Hyundai or Chevy Equinox EV, etc.

The Model Y comparable trim to comparable trim is cheaper than the Mach-E and has a $7500 tax credit vs $3750 that the Mach-E gets starting April 18th. And the Model Y is faster with more range. Probably why the Model Y outsold the Mach-E nearly 20 to 1 last quarter. Let's look at the Ford sales chart: Down 19.7% in Q1. And this was their Tesla killer? And then there is the Kia EV6 down 36% for the year, 69% drop last month. And Hyundai Ioniq 5 down 8% this year, down 22% last month as they trend downward like Kia. These bozos are what Tesla is supposed to be worried about?