A Horse With No Name

Son of my friend Lee has a very nice restorable 74 442. Scott picked it up at a grage sale for $700. Some guys have all the luck. Chris

I can drive a Miata without loosing manliness, does that count? (but I still like Camaro) Chris

Would hate to see Ford go away. But I agree, and will donate my Remington to the cause if you will kindly round up the arch-idiots from the design studio who penned these wonders in the first place. Chris

The vintage Mustang guys swear by it. And as everyone knows, the 60's mustangs could have been built out of stainless steel by Ford and kept in a climate controlled garage in Arizona...and they still would have rusted. Seriously, I doubt the Shadow is gone. Find someone who can weld and you probably can be back on the road pretty easily. Shadow is a tough car, even in salt. Brother-Sister in law live in Buffalo and theirs went forever with only minor rust issues so unless your parking yours out in the Atlantic I doubt very seriously if it is "gone." Chris

Be glad to see the real 'volt come out. Chris

Anybody who drives the Kia van and buys it deserves what they get. We drove a new one several years ago when we bought our GMC Safari. Even though the Safari was a refreshed 1985 design it still seemed much better than the Kia. Really not impressed with any of the Kia lineup. Chris

Getting back on track, Mustang sales are down 27+ percent, which does not bode well in some ways for the Challenger/Camaro coming out. Ford is still in trouble. Focus is selling on one feature and price. Taurus sales are wayyy down from a few years ago. Fusion is down, probably du to the 'bu. You can't justify Ford's product lineup on just the Edge, just like you can't justify Mazda lineup based on the success of the '3. Ford really needs better updated product, like it or not. That they only were down 4% seems to me just a mild respite in a period of steep decline. Chris

This is not suprising at any rate. The economy is in horrible shape and both Toyota and Gm have a huge overhead they have to keep fed by building and selling cars. I would expect strong money non the hood of a lot of cars for quite some time to come. The market has too many players for too few buyers, and that juast ain't gonna change. Chris

As I said in another post, Scion is like a one hit wonder band. The xB (original gen) sold well, the TC sold well for awhile, but I doubt that they will get the "majic" back again. Chris

Looking at this fuel economy does seem to be on people's minds. Chris

Glad to see the bu doing well, and Solstice is up as well. Glad to see GM get some nice fresh product to market. Chris

As an off topic aside, I wonder why Chrysler didn't build an SRT-4 Avenger instead of an SRT-4 Caliber. That would have made a much cooler car. While I am no fan of the Avenger I would chose it over the Hyundai, the Nissan, Camry, and perhaps a few other cars in the test. I did like how they (C+D) indicated that their avenger had fewer rattles than the Camry. As another off topic aside those Baloney Sandwiches they talked about in the article are local legend here in central Ohio. One of our other great places to eat is the thurman Cafe, recently rated as one of the ten best hamburgers in the US. Chris

+1 on Altima over rated. Atima coupe is ugly. I saw one at the dealership when my son and I were looking at a used Mustang. At $26,000+ it was ten grand more than a Scion TC and argueably less car. Chris

I beg to differ. One wants to slit ones wrists merely looking at the Sienna...driving it is an extra complication. Chris

A V-8 for sure, but GM could make some serious coin by dialing in the V-6 right. I love the new Mustang but the 4.0 Ford just doesn't cut it. I think someone in another thread said something about the power of a four and the fuel economy of a V-8 and they were not far off. Since most of the people that buy Mustangs are your typical secretary type or older men or who knows, people who do settle for a V-6 for whatever reason... It only stands to reason that having the V-6 really dialed in as far as NVH and so forth is of utter importance. Also, Ford toyed around with having a handeling package for V-6 Mustangs but abandoned the idea. I'd love something about as stiff as the old F-41 Suspension in the old Chevelle SS cars or the suspension in a 70's Cutlass-just a little bit firm-combined with a car that actually liked to turn. That and Hugger Orange paint. Chris

POR 15 is the E-ticket for the shadow. BTW, around here scrap prices are about $250-$300 for a car that size. At the scrap yard the other day they paid out $245 for an Escourt. Chris

Why the hell are they only recalling cars in cold states? I live in Ohio and people move here from Arizona, California, Texas and Georgia all of the time. This is a very serious safety related issue. What happens when a relocated car has the wires corrode and has an airbag problem because of the safety seat sensor? Makes no sense to me. And yes, Honda and Mazda have just as many problems as the domestics...as far as cost cutting goes it's going to happen on any sub-25K car. Chris

Interesting discussion guys, THANKS! Chris

Question for C&Gers. How do you personally define being a man? Just read an interesting book about boys which had as a Thesis that boys today lack positive male role models and have trouble defining what it means to be a man. The book got me thinking. So: How do you define being a man? To our younger members-do you find a lack of older men that you look up to? Do you agree or disagree with the idea that there are few positive male role models? Do you think todays definition of manhood is different than your fathers? To our gay members-a serious question-how do young gay teens/young gay adults adjust to manhood? Do you think manhood is defined differently (other than sexual choice) for gays and non gays? To our older members-do you think that young men today have a harder time defining "manhood" than when you grew up? Any feedback-thoughts would be highly sought after. THANKS! Chris

...and BTW Kudo's to BV for keeping another old Olds on the road and away from the crusher. Chris

Damn you both to the land of eternal internal combustion! Here I was, minding my own little buisiness, trying to forget about old school muscle and enjoy dreaming about a nice little fuel efficient modern car like a Sky Redline or a MINI Cooper S and you guys had to post THIS! I'm in utter lust, and I probably won't sleep tonight after seeing the 70. Love the color! Who needs internet porn when we can look at cars like these? The Hurst is sad because it is just like my friend Jeremy's which was stolen and stripped by some low life...Damn I miss that car. I want my old Chevelle back...1970 was probably (along with 1959 and 1966) one of the best years for American cars. Chris

...also wish I'd have thought of the Prowler. Chris

People laugh at 80's and 90's cars but the Cutlass Ragtop Oldsmoboi mentioned and the LH cars you mentioned are really great cars. The handeling of the LH in particular was just outstanding for a large FWD car. Loved my Concorde. Every so often I dream about still owning it and wake up and it's gone, just like the Cutlass I dated my wife in 20+ years ago. Would love to have both back. Chris

Don't laugh too hard, but I almost bought a SVO Mustang as a father son project...then almost bought another one because it was sage green and an 86 only colorwhich they only built about a dozen or so of and I love green cars. Before you laugh too hard I also almost bought a pristine (one owner 9,000 mile) Cosworth Vega. You could shave with the shine in the paint. Alas, common sense took over at the last minute... Now if I could just talk myself out of buying that ratty Alfa ragtop sitting outside my friend's body shop. Chris

I've often felt like if we got all of the C&G family together the parking lot would look like a southern Alabama Wal-Mart. But everyone here loves ther rides, which is what's important, right? Chris