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Well we also have the possibility the Camaro is underrated by the factory.

Microchip? What I lurve about the red and white concept is the bench seat. Very cool.

This. I say the same damn thing about Buffalo sauce. If it doesn't taste good, than all you're doing is torturing yourself. I'll third that! That's one reason I don't like the all famous siracha hot sauce. To me, it doesn't have any flavor, just heat. I think that's why I usually lean more towards a buffalo sauce. CCAP OMG I did not mean to downvote you! Can someone please erase that, or at least cancel it out? As far as sriracha, I agree totally, that is why I use it only as an additive to other sauces, not by itself.

Drew, are you OK?

The Cayman is my favorite Porsche. It would be just right for me. Love to have a green one with reptile grain brown leather interior. I don't mind the 718 designation, especially after it is explained to be a part of Porsche history.

I like hot sauce, but not when it is nothing but heat. It needs actual flavor to go with the fire.

The timing chain issue covers the 2.8, 2.8T, 3.0, and 3.6 spanning back to 2004 with millions of units sold, even just 5,000,000 vehicles (and that is low) with a 2% failure rate is over 100,000 vehicles totaling 200,000 timing chains or more. It's a widespread enough issue that GM has extended the warranty on all of this family of V6es to 120,000 miles, but repairs are happening as low as 9,000 miles. My friend at the Buick dealer gets Lambdas back in the shop with under 36k miles on them needing timing chain replacements. Thanks for the info, as you know I have a personal stake in the quality of the 3.6L engine. Clearly you don't know the answer to my question, so you are using math to blind me, but that is OK. And as for Dom's testimony, I have been attacked on here in the past for sharing personal work experiences as "agenda-driven", so I choose to dismiss what he's told you about 3.6L repair frequency. I've seen no evidence that my engine is under warranty for an extra 20k miles anywhere in my paperwork. The GM 3.6L is on Ward's 10 Best Engines list again for 2016. I do understand why you changed the topic title to something searchable. It also serves to spread the inconvenient article even further across the interweb thingy. oldshurst442, your Yoda post is hilarious. (hug) I believe in the integrity of Popular Mechanics (you realize they are not tech haters, but tech geeks, right?) hence why I used the link to their article reporting what has been published by multiple media outlets. What I was saying about the eleven year average age (and inexplicably got shot down) was this: in every instance I know of, a warranty lasts a certain time. Are you saying that Tesla's warranty is perpetual, or does it last for 8 years? If the drive motor fails at, for example, 3 years with 50k miles on the unit and Tesla replaces it, who is to say that drive motor won't fail again right after the 8 year period? Anyone who thinks clearly can see that this is not a confidence building scenario. It is a "fool me once" situation. I would guess even Fiat, a perpetual bottom dweller on every quality survey known to man and beast, does not have a 60% failure rate on their engines, but that is anecdotal, I cannot be certain of that.

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This is a bogus, bozo solution to a non-problem. Better for the world to turn vegan than give up real cars. Greenhouse gases from livestock are by far worse than fossil fuel emissions.

Question for Drew: please link the exact number of 3.6L timing chains replaced by GM. Thanks.

Thanks for the clue! What's wrong with the topic? It's been all over the internet. Why censor it here? I read the entire Popular Mechanics article. So, the powers that be at Cheers & Gears think that censoring Popular Mechanics, published since 1902 is a good idea? And it has been reported by many news outlets. Is Cheers & Gears going to retreat to its own little kingdom, or is it going to join the real world? Who cares if the sample is small? Things might get WORSE for Tesla if the sample were larger. Or they might get better... but the damage is done. It cannot be argued away.

Nah I'm good. What nincompoop changed my thread title?

Really? The average age of vehicles on American roads in the last several years has hovered around the eleven year mark. So you are saying that these things will never achieve average age? Because who is going to pay to keep these things going after 8 years, with this kind of failure rate? What a colossal waste of money.

Let that sink in for a moment... SIXTY PERCENT FAILURE RATE FOR A VEHICLE'S MOTIVE FORCE. Can anyone imagine if ANY other automaker had such a high failure rate with a conventional ICE? That is an INSANE, LUDICROUS percentage of failure for any modern device, let alone an $80-$100k automobile. You've got to be kidding me. And who is to say that the failure rate will not continue? So silly.

How is everyone this fine evening? http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a18489/two-thirds-of-early-tesla-model-s/

He sounds like a frightened boy here. Beating him widdle chest.

unafraid

Interiors though. Encore is WAY above Trax in interior look and feel. Trax interior is too dumpy for me even turning a blind eye to its growing list of direct competitors. When directly compared, it is lights out for Trax.

Anecdotal at best.

I was waiting for Lenny and Squiggy to show up.

To get the headlight out, the bumper has to come off, plus for paint work, even if the fender were only going to be repaired, and replacing the fender. To ensure color match, the door has to be blended... but I see paint marker marks at the front of the door. The fender was probably pushed back into the door, causing a binding when the door was opened, which in turn damaged the front edge of the door. I see you have Progressive insurance. Keen eye. But no the door was not rubbing the fender. I honestly don't know why they marked it there, I didn't see any damage there when I still had it. Damn right I have Progressive! They've been doing an awesome job with this, plus my rates are awesome. Well, Progressive uses those markers to denote damage for photographs to attach to your claim file. The damage at the front edge of the door may have been slight, or hidden by the fender before it was taken off. It clearly, to me, is not just a blend panel. I can see chips in the paint on the door within the highlighted areas on the photo you posted. I would check your final estimate when you get the car back and see if there is repair time on the door. I hope you get your baby back soon, and the repairs are fully satisfactory.

To get the headlight out, the bumper has to come off, plus for paint work, even if the fender were only going to be repaired, and replacing the fender. To ensure color match, the door has to be blended... but I see paint marker marks at the front of the door. The fender was probably pushed back into the door, causing a binding when the door was opened, which in turn damaged the front edge of the door. I see you have Progressive insurance.

So you're scared then.

It is ridiculous packing three rows of seats in anything smaller than a Burb anyway. Unless legless passengers.