Camino LS6

That just says it all.

I have never gone to one, and likely never will.

This morning I saw an AMC Hornet wagon. Been ages since I saw one of these. This one was one of the later versions with the Spirit/Eagle styling but was not an Eagle. I think the early versions were called "Sportabout"(or something like that) but I can't remember what the later ones might have been called. EDIT: I just remebered what they changed the name to - Concord. Here's a pic of a Sportabout: http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/pictur..._Sportabout.jpg I couldn't find a good pic of the Concord wagon that shows how much uglier it is than a Sportabout. It is mostly bad bumpers, bad grille, and bad lighting - otherwise the styling is mostly the same. The one I saw this morning was definitely a Concord wagon. These later morphed into the Eagle AWD wagon.

The problem with these questions is that back then people where Chevy fans or, Buick fans, or Pontiac fans... not GM fans. So we will need to get several perspectives (and maybe take a look at vintage magazine comparos) to really answer your questions. I can say this though, the Chevy 307 did not replace the 327. The 307 replaced the 283 as the base "workaday" Chevy smallblock. Although the 283 had some performance trims stretching back to '57, the 307 never did. The 327, on the other hand, was almost always a performance engine - and it was replaced by the 350. As for the Olds 307, I suspect that it served the same purpose as the Chevy 307.

That's a last gen, so far none of this gen have been announced or built.

I really hope the entire crossover segment collapses, almost all of them are eyesores.

Yes, some automatics are matching or beating the mileage of their manual counterparts. But not in a significant way. And on vehicles like this, that hardly matters. What does matter is performance and fun factor, and in that department the automatic just doesn't cut it. I really want one of these, but without a manual, it will be no sale.

Nice enough. It appeals to me far more than the sedan ever could and makes the new "SRX" look even more lame. Still, I'd much rather have a G8 Sportwagon.

I haven't used this smiley in a while, but...

You need to move, your neighborhood has a Tundra infestation. :AH-HA_wink: The truth is, the Tundra can't touch the domestics in sales, or quality, or capability. It has consitently failed to meet expectations and is bombing in the market. One Tundra plant is shut down and won't build the truck when it starts back up due to weak demand. Toyota has lost billions on this truck, and they deserve to for building such a substandard product. At this point, I feel safe in saying that we will never see the planned expansion of the Tundra line to heavy duty versions. Oh, and this market isn't dying. It is shifting back to the people that need a truck rather than those who simply want one. That reality will hurt the Tundra even more as those who use their trucks for their intended purpose rarely opt for a Toyota.

They were all different, but BOP (Buick, Olds,Pontiac) had alot of commonality. Generally speaking though, the Chevy engines would make more power. That, in combination with the huge volume advantage, gave Chevy the budget to develop even better engines. Balthazar could give you a much better overview of the BOP stuff, I'm sure. But here's an example where Chevy had the advantage. Chevy's big blocks (the mark IV engines) tended to breathe better than the BOP 455s. That's just one example. One other tidbit: the BOP 455s were not technically big blocks at all, their external dimensions were the same as the smaller displacement engines whereas the Chevy big and small block engines had little to no commonality. OK, one more: While all of the divisions used TH350 and TH400 automatic transmissions, the mounting bolt patterns were different. So, you could not use a TH400 from a GTO in your SS 396 Chevelle when you blew the trans at the track.

Sounds about right. And, the Camaro could use a companion product at Oshawa. Should be interesting to see what happens.

Which would be a valid point if they could build enough to supply the Chevy dealers, but they can't. The production is very limited by Holden's capacity at its one-and-only plant. 10k per year would be about all they can build.

There has been talk of making the V6 available.

Holy Crap!

I'm betting on a GXP, and that the only way I'll get my manual is to buy that package.

It certainly was. But, it's exactly what I expected GM to do. I'm just glad that El Camino was not used.

Segment-Defining Vehicle on Target for Late 2009 Launch Pontiac G8 ST at a Glance Sports car with truck-like cargo and towing capabilities V8 engine with Active Fuel Management linked to six-speed automatic 74-inch cargo bed and 3,500 lb towing capacity Estimated fuel economy near top of vehicles with comparable cargo/towing capacity Available in late 2009 as a 2010 model Detroit - After sifting through more than 18,000 possibilities, Pontiac has chosen to keep it simple, naming the recently revealed G8 sport truck the “ G8 ST.” Thousands of fans submitted suggestions during a “Tame the Name” promotion, which delayed a final announcement until each possibility was considered and cleared for possible trademark use. “Frankly, we were blown away by both the volume and quality of the names that were submitted,” said Craig Bierley, BPG product marketing director for cars and crossovers. “’ G8 ST’ was one of the most popular suggestions, plus we noticed a far broader trend toward simple, easy-to-remember names.” “El Camino” was also a sentimental favorite, given the G8 ST’s resemblance to the classic Chevy. “We actually thought very long about El Camino,” said Bierley. “In the end, we felt it was more appropriate to honor the El Camino’s unique place as part of Chevy’s heritage and not use that nameplate on a Pontiac.” Perhaps the ultimate reflection of the blurring line between cars and trucks, the G8 ST will create a unique niche segment in the marketplace: a sports car with truck-like cargo and towing capabilities. Sharing the basic architecture and 361 hp V8 engine as the G8 GT performance sedan, it will offer a 73.9-inch cargo bed that has 42.7 cubic feet of cargo space and can carry a payload of 1,000 pounds (453 kg) or tow a 3,500-pound (1,587 kg) trailer. Thanks to its six-speed automatic transmission and Active Fuel Management system, the G8 ST should offer some of the best fuel economy numbers for V8-powered vehicles with similar cargo/towing ratings while still turning in zero-to-60 times of 5.4 seconds. The G8 ST will be available in late 2009 as a 2010 model and will be backed by GM’s industry best 100,000 mile, 5-year powertrain warranty. Pricing will be announced closer to availability. CONTACT(S): Jim Hopson Pontiac Communications Phone: 313-667-4124 E-mail: [email protected]

Got the letter too, but no problems to report.

About freakin' time!

Not to mention that the Tundra was already failing badly before the gas crunch hit. It's a lousy product and its days are numbered.

Nice survivor.

Yeah, but you buying an F-150 would be like me buying a Ranchero. Some things just aren't supposed to happen.

You had me going there for a minute, Roger. I thought maybe you had lost your mind.

Except that it does apply to this particular car.