Camino LS6

As long as I get my GXP ST, I'm fine with letting you have this one. :AH-HA_wink:

Sweet. Pontiac needs something like this ASAP.

I'm not certain what you mean by this post, but the truth is that the criteria used to brand ethanol with an anti-environment stamp are the product of deeply flawed thinking. As for subsidies, the expansion of ethanol production and distribution needs to be pushed forward by all means available. Speed is of the essence. I view this as nothing short of a national security issue.

Good question. I wouldn't equate SS (in its current form) with HSV, though. If Pontiac were to go this way, the cars would have to be more significantly changed than even what HSV does.

It is an interesting idea, but any car getting this treatment would have to be carefully selected and truly become a Pontiac For it to work.

C&G wouldn't be what it is without you! Have a great day!

You bring up a great point here, antiquated laws restrict us in absurd ways all across the spectrum. Congress should spend an entire session on repealing or adapting existing laws to remove pointless barriers to progress, rather than piling on more.

That's true, YJ. But Corn ethanol is driving the necessary infrastructure and support technology while providing a domestic alternative fuel. It also is being used much more locally than oil-based fuels are and being produced in a larger number of small facilities run by a larger number of independent businesses. It also produces viable and saleable by-products, benefits American farmers and other workers, and revilatizes local economies. Not to mention that the levels of efficiency, methods of production, and networks of distribution are all improving with great speed. This industry is still in its infancy with its potential completely unrealized. To treat it as a finite, known quantity is just plain foolish. In short it is everything that Big Oil hates and cannot be. Ethanol from various sources, including corn will form a part of the solution going forward. It is irresponsible and deceptive to demonize it as recent articles have attempted to do. The notion of any single "silver bullet" for our energy needs must be tossed aside as the useless measure that it is. The solution will come from the very variety of energy technologies now being developed - all should have our full support.

Of course. I was in agreement with your point on that.

Which means that any design that can transcend all of that will be hailed as "stunning". And I will pay attention to it.

Also a valid point. Diffferentiation is the key. I used Solstice/Sky as an example because they are far too close, not because they are both Kappas.

A key point many miss entirely.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion...,0,481881.story

Of course there are, and they are being developed as we speak. However, most of the negative articles are full of extrapolations based on Corn being the only source that will ever be and that no advances will ever take place while exaggerating or fabricating the supposed negatives of corn derived ethanol. The fact is that ethanol production has little or nothing to do with food prices - that's a myth. Ask yourself just who might benefit from such negative publicity about corn ethanol.

A fine baseline to start from, and key to any transition to better things. I'd add exclusivity vs. other GM brands ( example Sky/Solstice as a thing not to allow).

Then you had better get to work on that, hadn't you?

Before you start, make absolutely sure that your wheels are not clearcoated! I love simichrome.

And don't you forget it! :AH-HA_wink:

I agree almost entirely with this.

I completely agree, and not just because of your current sig pic. :AH-HA_wink:

And you single me out for an answer on this why? Way too much to respond to in this thread. But, suffice it to say that alchohol (the sort that you drink, not ethanol), causes more damage to the health and wealth of the US than all illegal drugs combined by something like a factor of 10. Marijuana prohibition is no less an absurd policy than alchohol prohibition was, and the history of this prohibition shows that it is based on far more shaky ground ethically than alchohol proibition ever was. Marijuana was intentionally demonized for political and economic gain, not out of any true concern for public health. It is hypocrisy at its finest, and marijuana remains illegal because so much political capital is invested in that status quo that no poltician dare be honest about the subject - let alone introduce rational reform. The "drug war" is nothing short of a collosal waste of resources and excuse for the abrogation of rights and freedoms second only to those now taking place in the name of "homeland security" Oh, and the original article is an agenda - driven bit of propaganda meant to stunt the growth of biofuels in this country.

I absolutely despise the huge headlight trend, as well as the clear lens/ round within a blister tallight styling. Overused and plain ugly. Design has become lazy overall and far too subservient to aerodynamics, production ease, and crash regulation. That's why I bow down when the all-to-rare design focused on the beauty of the car actually sneaks into the market.

Far too many Americans simply find this car to be wholly laughable - it is thusly doomed to a very, very, short shelf life. O.C. is right, its only true appeal is as a novelty.

I have to say that this thread has evolved into a meaningful exchange of viable ideas that GM would do well to pay attention to. The agreement on some basic notions amongst most of us I find especially informative. Well done all.

I have to go, but I just had a thought. What if Pontiac became a sort of "Shadow brand" available at any GM dealership featuring performance versions of many GM platforms? The name would then represent something entirely new, a hybrid of GMPD and HSV with all products wearing, and worthy of, the Arrowhead. Just trying to think around things in a new way. For the record, I am still in favor of GM actually following through and turning Pontiac into a legitimate performance brand within B-P-G using only RWD and AWD to do it. That plan is valid, and remains untried AFAIC.