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I'd sooner kill Saab and/or Saturn than move Pontiac (again). If I were dealing with all brands as full 'Divisions", I might have grouped them in a different way. But given what now exists, I would not move Pontiac again nor replace it with Saturn in the B-P-G channel. One could make the argument that a performance-oriented Pontiac would make a nice fit sharing space with an upscale-performance Cadillac. Pontiac as a modern LaSalle, if you will.

Can't argue with that. The only niche that jumps to mind for Saturn would be the "European -flavored" division. Moving the G6 to Alpha solves the Aura issue.

I'd say yeah, it's a myth. AFAIK, "valve float" happens when RPMs get way too high. Too much oil causes other ills.

Yes, in PA - right down the road from me (Philly burbs). I may be able to get a pic or two in the next few days.

I think that it is worthy of note that such divergent viewpoints as my own, enzl's, O.C.'s, Hyper's, and Moltar's all reflect the same basic strategy for Pontiac. This is quite do-able, and the obvious solution to the issue for not only Pontiac, but as a template for the entire GMNA lineup. Tight, focused, brands with easily recognized identities are what's required for GM to re-establish itself in the market. The tough choices that need to be made are tied to placing a given product under the most appropriate brand - every time. Moving Torrent to GMC is an example of the right sort of thinking along these lines. A tougher example would be stopping Sky production and leaving Kappa to Pontiac exclusively in North America. I really like the Sky, but it doesn't belong at Saturn and it compromises Pontiac in a very real and parasitic way.

Great post, Hyper! Getting GM to follow this simple logic is the the worry. It is such a no-brainer, but some on the inside can't see the forest for the trees.

You should check out the Project Car forum, it's all about works in progress. Don't wait until yours is done to post pics!

It's silver with a burgundy interior and the original 305 V8.

It's a silver '87 with T-tops and a split bench seat, 46k original miles, very clean though not perfect, still titled in original owner's name. The seller wants $8,500 ( a bit high IMO) but he seems eager to sell it and willing to negotiate. The car is quite nice.

Welcome back ! And I echo what XP said, put your Blazer in the Project forum.

Please don't take this personally, or look at it as a criticism of your purchase, the qualities of the Torrent as a vehicle are not the issue. The issue is the identity of Pontiac as a whole going forward. In a crowded marketplace, tightly focused brands are an absolute requirement for GM, and a brand that sells both a G8 lineup and the Torrent and G5 is not a focused brand. Volume is no longer a mission Pontiac can, or should , have on its agenda. A focused lineup of RWD (and possibly RWD biased AWD) cars is all that Pontiac should be doing. Each one needs to offer a performance edge above competitive product along with a distinct and consistent style. Pontiac should be the home of sporty, high performance cars within GM ( Corvette and Camaro excepted). The sooner this identity becomes consistent without the distraction of crossovers and entry-level sedans, the better. Only Chevrolet, of all of the brands, can ever be a true full-line brand in the current environment. The rest of the brands need to have an extremely narrow focus. Do one thing, and do it well.

Yup! Do it , XP.

Not everyone forgets. :AH-HA_wink: Nice job!

Sure, but no searches.

Mid 70's, well - known album, non-airplay song, Prog rock

" Soon these days shall pass away For our freedom we must pay All our words and deeds are carried on the wind In the ground our bodies lay here we'll stay."

Don't forget that the weather is just now getting nice and folks are spending time outdoors. For me, that means it is the busy season so my online time is much reduced. Haven't really noticed much "drama" when I've been on.

Absolutely.

Torrent is gone soon anyway, what does it matter?

Hmmm, a half quart overfill likely won't cause too much trouble. Any more than that and I'd say that you would be asking for it.

Sorry to hear the sad news, NOS. My best to you and yours.

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Firebird

As with many things in this country, what ticks me off is the failure mentality that fosters such things, and the almost eager anticipation exhibited by our own people for destruction. I say again: no surrender, no compromise.