Camino LS6

Not a chance, and let go of my hand.

I'm speechless. Thanks to all who wished me well in this thread. And I will be changing my sig... eventually. As for the name, I'm thinking that one over.

Ready banning option! :AH-HA_wink:

So I've been told. I can't exactly hurry since it will be a 2010 MY, all I can do is hurry-up and wait.

I think you all know what my next one will be. :AH-HA_wink:

Subtract 2 doors, add a bed, and you have my next new GM purchase. Very pleased with this.

True.

None of which changes the fact that the Tundra was an Ill-conceived, poorly executed substandard product. I told you it would be a stinker and it has been. Yes, I take great joy in Toyota's failings and wish them only the worst of luck in the future. Every stumble they make gladdens my heart.

BTW: I wonder how much Exxon paid the writer/magazine.

I have to say it... Toldya So!

I hoped that this thread would provoke thought, and you guys have not disappointed me in that regard. I was trying to have this stay apolitical, and focus on the ideas. I guess that was something of a vain hope, but I'd like to see us stay away from politics if we can. Even with that said, it is great to see that we have so much common ground and pragmatic ideas about where the country should go. Most of these ideas really do go beyond the bounds of party, and that is heartening. Thanks for the great responses.

Many, many, feedstocks for ethanol production are coming online now - everything from swichgrass, to old tires, to garbage, to waste paper. Methods of producing hydrogen are multiplying as well. There is movement in solar, wind,and nuclear. What it is going to take will be all of them, but we will get there. Corn is a fine beginning, any domestic source is better than importing oil. The production of corn ethanol also is pushing the ethanol infrastructure to happen now, so it will be in place as cellulosic ethanol begins to displace corn. I have zero problems with corn being used as a transitional or supplemental source. The farmers deserve the benefits they get from it. Switchgrass is a perennial, so one planting can be productive for years, that is a whole different scenario than corn. It can also be harvested twice in one season, takes less water, needs less fertilizer, needs less cultivation, and causes less erosion and fertilizer runoff as a result. Ethanol will be a majority of our non-oil fuel supply for quite some time. How it is made, and what from, are the things that will change.

Here's the link: http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...showtopic=21018 Note the important part: this process produces 288% of the energy used to generate the Hydrogen.

Your facts are out of date. I'll post a link for you shortly.

Anyway, you guys get the jist of my point. What other positive projects should we ,as a nation, undertake? I know I could think of some.

I couldn't disagree more. Edit: I t certainly beats a bridge to nowhere, or studying the sex life of a gnat.

At the rate we are going, I'll be dead of old age before it happens.

If the energy issue is successfully dealt with paying for the space program will seem like pocket change. :AH-HA_wink:

Colonization of both the Moon and Mars would certainly be on my agenda. The exploration of near space is so incomplete that we can't even say what our own solar system might have to offer us. Space tourism will become a reality soon, and we should be leading that endeavor. The limits of materials science will be expanded by creating artificial environments for space, the moon and Mars. Certain processes can only be done in zero G, and that branch of science is newborn yet. So much of what is to be learned out there would have profound implications for life on Earth as well. I see infinite possibilities when I think of space exploration and adaptation to its environments both real and artificial. And, I don't believe that other galaxies are forever out of reach - unless we remain afraid to take the first steps. I don't think you are being a pessimist, but maybe there is more to the story than what you (or any of us) have thought of. Finally, without such a frontier, I believe that we will eventually destroy ourselves. I see it as a safety valve against the fuit fly's fate.

I think we should be out there, getting used to coping with space and studying all we can find. The potential is unlimited except by our reluctance to explore. Some ROI we can predict, but I feel certain that most of the ROI we can barely imagine. Ultimately, I see it as an evolutionary challenge to our species - what an adaptation if the fruit flies can leave the finite confines of the jar.

That damage was already done, he did grow up in Texas afterall. And we know what that environment produces. :AH-HA_wink:

Point taken. If we all could act in concert for something for a change, I'd feel much better about the future.

I do remember a few suspect bridges...

Well, I see it as him just getting himself added to the list of wackos and doing nothing to move his agenda forward. Thus, ineffective.