Drew Dowdell

People who are passionate about their car buy Grand Prix, CTS's, BMWs... heck even Civics. People who want an appliance buy Camrys, Corollas, base Malibus... and sometimes Civics. Civic is one of the few that's good for both.

Chevy has a much more complete lineup then Ford... so having it be this close is impressive of Ford. Bet they're all F-150 and Mustang sales though......

Agreed. The Maurader was a great idea poorly executed. The thing couldn't even beat a 1996 Caprice.... much less even burn rear rubber. Note to Ford since you're watching. If your "performance model" of a carline can get dusted by an Accord V6, it isn't a performance model. The Bonneville GXP was released when it was already obvious the Bonneville line was coming to an end. To fault the car for that isn't exactly fair. I think the current Impala SS, Charger SRT, 300 SRT-8, and even the SHO when it was good, are proof that high performance largish sedans can sell.

GM produces Hybrids where it matters most. ONE GM Hybrid bus equals the fuel savings of about 30* Toyota Priuses. * number aproximate of course.

LOL, there are tons out there worse then that!

booo

What's "single" got to do with it?

I highly doubt the cabin is waterproof enough to matter.

Awww... thanks Pauli...

Are you guys *sure* this isn't a Toyota something?

What's with the coffee can sticking out of the hood?

Direct injection 2.8 litre turbo would fit the car's market and make it fairly zippy like the MazdaSpeed 6

1. Profits are affected by overhead costs. GM's are $1500 more expensive regarless of the car they build. 2. GM has to keep the mills cranking and selling to fleet simply because of these overhead costs. 3. GM has to try and cheap out on the designs simply because if they didn't they couldn't be price competitive and make money due to their over head costs. Could GM build a car that would kill the Camry? Sure... and they'd sell every one. Except to remain price competitive they'd have to sell them all at a lose OR bump up the price to where a comparible Camry is 3k cheaper then an equal quality Malibu.

my numbers were made up of course.... but the sentiment is the same. The majority of Camry owners are not passionate about cars. A much higher percentage of Grand Prix owners are. Heck, if the Grand Prix sells only to the Nascar set, my point still stands.

Absolutely fully loaded GPV8... including engine block heater is 29,951 on CarsDirect.com. Add in potential GM card rebate <you only have to have *some* points to be eligable for the $2000 "top off" rebate> and you're in a loaded V8 GP for 27k. An absolute BASE 325 is 30,928 on CarsDirect.... try finding one on the lot. An absolute base A4 is 28k, but then you're saddled with an un-fun 4-cylinder in a heavy car... and you don't even get Quattro... So yeah... the GP V8 seems like a pretty sweet deal.

But that's probably because you give all indications that you are straight. I doubt that OCN does.

If that were the case, why hasn't GMC withered away and died yet? Strangely enough, Cadillac is one of the few brands that has completely changed their buyer demographic sucessfully. In 1996 Cadillac was totally for the 70's set. Today it's younger, wealthier people. Rappers and underweight white actresses love the Escalade. I'm 27 and got my CTS when I was 25. This is something Toyota HASN'T been able to do... hence the existence of Scion. You forget that this *was* a volume vehicle for GM. It cost extremely little for GM to tool up for this because it's just a Holden Monaro. They just had to swap a few badges, swap the driver side, and ship it over. Even at the low sales numbers of the GTO, they probably still made money on it because the more plebian models were sold with reasonable sucess in Australia.

To be fair, it all depends on where you live. Here in Pittsburgh, $700 a month rent gets you a fairly rockin place. Heck, my mortgage is $765 a month and I have 3 bedrooms, hardwood floors, fireplaces, porches, gargages and 1/3 acre of land.... yet I'm 15 minutes from downtown.

meh, people lack imagination. I was stuck in the cooperate rat race for years getting measly 3% raises. Now that I'm on my own, I have much more freedom, satisfaction, and most importantly much more money.

In the same vein, what do Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, and Alfa Romeo have in common? Well, minus BMW. Chrysler is a comonality between the rest. VW was a partner in developing the Rabbit/Omni, Benz owns Chrysler today, and Alfa had that horrible Lebaron/Maseratti rebadge.

Ford had an AWD Tempo... and apparently at one point sold an AWD, 5-speed, Diesel tempo...... yeah, it's strange, but a neighbor had one. Pontiac had the 6000 STE AWD, and I think the Astro Van.

There were a pair of reviewers that panned the handling of the GP Comp-G. It apparently pissed off Lutz enough that he invited the reviewers to race him. They could pick any car in the GP's segmant they wanted, while he drove a Comp-G. One of the reviewers picked a Maxima. Lutz wiped the floor with it.

Had you said Honda, I would have said the early Civic. Can't think of anything from Toyota. At least Datsun/Nissan Z proved that japanese sports cars could be cool.

#1. As people frequently like to point out, GM's engines and transmissions have been around for a long time now. No complaints about sluggishness. #2. Except for the S/C 3800, GMs generally require 87 to get their advertised horsepower. #3 So the jury is still out on those..... and great, the car shift 4 times before I make it to 25 MPH....smooth. Lexus's new 8-speed is only for the highest end model. The number of gears race is getting a bit rediculous. GM should just trump them all and start sourcing 16-speeds from allison for all their vehicles. Would that shut you up Toyoguy? A good 5-speed, 6-speed, or CVT is all any car needs.

Whoopdie flippin do! Pontiac and Buick have been offering 240-260hp in family cars for years now. The 268hp Camry is only the top model. Get a top model Impala and you get a 303hp V8. Chevy and Olds had a DOHC 215hp V6 in 1994 while Toyota was rockin it with 188hp and Accord could only be had with a 4 cylinder, 145hp Max. One thing HonYota has never done is out HP GM in a given class.