Drew Dowdell

6 cents / kWh? That's impossibly low.... that doesn't include delivery? Delivery alone is usually that much. Typical commodity + delivery across the US is 12 cents / kWh (the reason I know this is because I've been researching cryptocurrency mining for a client). At that price, 20 c/kWh isn't terrible for an on the road charge... even at 35 c/kWh it's a deal compared to buying bottled water v. bringing water from your tap at home.

FCA is the supplier. They've owned VMMotori for a few years now. I imagine a recall is in order for the vehicles already sold.

Imagine the lag. That would be annoying while off roading

And we know how well stubby hatches sell... Fiesta, Mazda 2, Accent hatchback, Yaris hatch, all cancelled or in danger of being so. iM, Sonic 5 door both on life support. Only the Fit and Versa seem to move any real numbers, and those are still a small fraction of the sedan counterparts.

Ew.. So you really think a normal looking car with the same performance as the bolt won't sell as well as the bolt?

Oh, no. I meant for you to lease a new truck. You couldn't deduct a Cruze lease for your son legally.

It's a limited production vehicle that has better options out there now. 100 miles isn't enough range. If it had 200+ mile range, it would sell substantially better. The Bolt is already beating sales expectations. Are you trying to say that a much more conventional looking Focus with similar range, performance, and price to the Bolt wouldn't sell better? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying. Few of the plug-in hybrid sedans have an EV range worth mentioning. Volt is the best at 50, followed by Pacifica Hybrid and CT6 PHEV at 30ish. The Euros except Volvo are in the mid-teens, Volvo gets barely over 20.

In your case @balthazar it might be a fairly substantial tax deduction for you to lease, depending on how your business is structured. I'm not an accountant, but you may want to talk to one.

Yes, all of the Northstars were oil burners. That, among other reasons, were why they were 8 quart engines. The other reason was they could run without coolant in limp home mode, but needed the extra oil reserve to do so. Is anything else on your radar @balthazar? It does seem like you're steering towards the lower end of the budget for this one... an $8999 Cruze? You're almost better off getting one of those $99 down $99 a month 36 month leases for a brand new one. Even if he did go over the mileage by 21k miles (so, 51k miles in 3 years), you'd still be under the $8999 total cost.

All of the recently released Benzes are like this.

I would think not. GM will be looking to reuse as much of the existing technology into other vehicles as possible. They won't be doing in-wheel motors if the battery and other running gear for Bolt, Volt, CT6, and Malibu Hybrid are all using stuff tuned for a more traditional electric motor. At most, you'll see a larger electric motor for heavier / more premium applications... and a dual motor setup for AWD applications if using a pure EV platform.

It's fad... just like fender vents were a fad 10 years ago.

+1.... how are the Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Durango on different lists when they both use the same uConnect system?

That'd be cause they're not prohibited. I think only the TPK prohibits them through side regulations... 601.15 Vehicles excluded from the Turnpike (a) During adverse weather conditions, recreational vehicles, motorcycles, vehicles towing trailers, tandem trailers, buses and Class 9 vehicles may be excluded from parts or all of the Turnpike System. Vehicles may be excluded from the Turnpike System to effect proper snow removal or to remedy hazardous situations. Unsafe vehicles may be excluded at any time. (b) Class 9 vehicles are prohibited from using the Turnpike System except by special permit from the Commission, as indicated in § 601.1 and § 601.14 (Class 9 Vehicles). (c) Vehicles which are not capable of maintaining a speed of at least 15 miles per hour below the posted speed limit on level roadway are prohibited from using the Turnpike system. (d) No non-motorized vehicles are permitted to be operated on the Turnpike System.

E-Golf - Range 112 miles, starting price $30k, $11k more than a base Golf Focus Electric - Range 118 miles city / 96 miles highway, starting price $29k, however, Ford is giving them away with $10k worth of incentives right now Fiat 500E - Range 87 miles, starting price $32,600 and only sold in California All of those fit in classification #2 of "usable range", "Normal looking", "substantially more expensive than platform mates". Range is still a factor. Anything between 40 miles and 100 miles I consider usable, but not great. Anything over 200 will be able to suit most typical drivers, even if they don't realize it yet. The Volt gets around the range issue by having the regenerator, it looks like a fancy Cruze, but it is still rather pricey compared to a Cruze. The three you mentioned still have range anxiety issues being lower than the 200 mile mark. The Bolt is the first in this price class to get over 200 miles to a charge.... my argument is that it would sell even better if it looked more like a normal car instead of an egg. I personally don't think it looks bad, but I don't think it has visual appeal to the mass market. Bolt powertrain in a Malibu at only a slight premium over an LT model (say something around like the price premium of buying a diesel), and you'd start to see some real movement in sales. In my own case, I'd like a plug-in, but there are none yet that meet the requirements within our budget. The closest I can get right now is the new XC60 PHEV. SMART is just dumb anyway, the sales there have been tanking for years and dealers who saw the opportunity to exit, did so. If I were a Benz dealer, I wouldn't have kept SMART around absent any announcement that they were going to expand the brand into a family car brand. There are no statistics to back up either claim since the vehicles I am referring to do not exist on the market.

Me too... but only if the avalanche was a relatively exclusive vehicle.... no LS trims... LT or High Country only.

I do want a Cadillac truck, but only if it is something like the EXT which can't be found anywhere else in the GM lineup. I would not want a rebadged Denali in the Cadillac lineup.

Not just a stop-gap. They are the stepping stone. They help create demand for the plug-in infrastructure that is currently lacking.

I just realized, I forgot the BMW i3... but it's okay, so did everyone else on the planet.

The earlier Escalades were likely more capable than the later ones as they were more closely related to the Tahoe and such. The recent one is much more of a soft-roader unless you start making modifications via wheels and removing air-dams and such.

I really am starting to think that at the moment it is lack of selection rather than lack of interest. If Honda / Toyota / Chevrolet build a completely EV Accord / Camry / Malibu or RAV4 / CR-V / Equinox with range over 200 miles, I really do believe interest in EVs would increase dramatically. Right now, consumers have few choices for plug-ins: 1. Good range, odd Looking / Ugly, but relatively inexpensive - Bolt, Leaf 2.0 2. usable range, normal looking, relatively expensive compared to platform mates - Pacifica Hybrid, Volt, Fusion Energie, CMax 3. "why bother?", normal looking, relatively expensive compared to platform mates - Plug-in Pruis, Honda Accord PHEV 4. "why bother?" range, normal looking, expensive options - All of the BMW and Mercedes plug-ins. Volvo has a bit more range, but not much. 5. Good range, normal looking, expensive - Tesla 6. usable range, normal looking, expensive - CT6 PHEV With the exception of the Fusion Energi, there is nothing here in the meat of the market. No crossovers except for the expensive Model X and the Euros. Nothing AWD except for the Teslas and Euros. No trucks. If there is a lack of interest by consumers in making purchases, I'd argue it is because there is a lack of anything interesting to buy.

These luxury trucks still have to be capable. So yes, they could probably add the massaging seats from the new navigator, but there aren't going to be any changes under the skin that would reduce capability.

So how was it?

Land Cruiser sells globally to a lot more locations than Audi does. It also shares a lot of parts with other Toyotas. It is one of the few truly global vehicles out there that doesn't change much from country to country and sells everywhere.

updated with chart that was missing from last month