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    Buick Not Sending Avista Concept To Production


    • Expecting a production version of the Buick Avista? We have some bad news...

    One of the big surprises at the Detroit Auto Show was the Buick Avista concept. The vehicle drew a lot of praise from not only the press but also from the public.

     

    “The energy around that car and the interest in it at the shows was amazing,” said Buick's chief marketer Tony DiSalle to Wards Auto.

     

    With all of this interest, you think Buick would be making plans to get the Avista into production. Unfortunately, that isn't going to happen. DiSalle explained that wasn't enough enthusiasm for the concept to give Buick officials a prompt to approve it.

     

    “It was purely a concept and meant to generate some buzz. No other plans for now.”

     

    That includes none of the design cues of the Avista showing up on future Buick models.

     

    Source: Wards Auto
    Pic Credit: William Maley for Cheers & Gears

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    Bummer but not surprising. 

     

    That was my overall thought as well. But I am surprised they will not be taking some of the elements of the Avista to a production model.

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    As expected, GM has always thrilled the world with concepts and rarely ever delivered. They need to get some balls and realize that while not everything will be a hit, if the public and press love a product, it probably can at least break even.

     

    To quote a very popular movie:

     

    If you Build it they will come!

     

    :metal:

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    Folks I saw this car and it was a pure show car.

    While it may have had some dims similar to the Camaro much of it would have never made production. 

    Now Buick has made it clear many of the elements in the car will show up in other Buick models. 

     

    Now with the positive reaction though it is possible we may see a more production like coupe of halo car in the future just do not expect this particular car. Some of us have gotten spoiled as we had a decade of cars that were show cars but really production cars under the skin. Or they were show cars like the Camaro or SSR that were forced into production with mixed results some good some bad.

     

    The fact is we went through most of the century with show cars that very seldom make production but did help predict the future styling because of positive responses. Cars like the La Sabre and Harley Earls Y job were not production cars but were good indicators of the future because of the response the received. 

    We need to stop and look at these cars and really take a look at them with the eye of a business case and could one really be made. A car with too large wheels and brakes, No B pillar and a printed interior sitting on a chassis that could never make it over a parking lot entrance in the mid west had little chance of making production and if it did the changes would have turned most of you off all together. Being a coupe made it even less likely. 

    I loved the car but reality just sticks out every where on it. I would love to see them combine the best realistic features of both cars into a coupe like sedan as a halo car for Buick. Make it their A7 competitor. The trick is to make it and then price it so it could live up to what people expect. 

     

    The auto industry as a whole has really cut back on show cars. This year was one of the weakest yet. What few we did have were mostly based on production models with some changes and not all that exciting. I almost wonder if the end of the show car is near as cost are higher than ever and in the end so many customers are either confused and or disappointed that you can not build that 16 cylinder quad turbo coupe and price it for $50K. 

     

    I know the designers love to do them and the Avista is an example of them working on their own leads. But you can not blame GM for not building a dream here and with the many expecteds I think you all know that here. 

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    not a shocker.

     

    was at the auto show last weekend here, almost no concept cars.  I can't remember one really.  The fact that Buick did this one is amazing.  

     

    Two really old dudes with hanging guts and suspenders off the farm were standing near me by the Envision and new LaCrosse on platforms.  They were commenting on how they liked the new LaCrosse.  The new one is not as sporty as the current one.  I surmise the oldsters liking the new LaCrosse means they are ok with somewhat sedate looking Buicks.

     

    So, it might be amazing if any of Avista's lines ever make it to any Buick's models. 

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    not a shocker.

     

    was at the auto show last weekend here, almost no concept cars.  I can't remember one really.  The fact that Buick did this one is amazing.  

     

    Two really old dudes with hanging guts and suspenders off the farm were standing near me by the Envision and new LaCrosse on platforms.  They were commenting on how they liked the new LaCrosse.  The new one is not as sporty as the current one.  I surmise the oldsters liking the new LaCrosse means they are ok with somewhat sedate looking Buicks.

     

    So, it might be amazing if any of Avista's lines ever make it to any Buick's models. 

     

     

    I found the new Lacrosse more Lexus like and less Malibu like. I have never really considered the Lacrosse as sporty. 

    To be honest the new car in Photos really show no interest to me but in person I really thought it was a very nice car and at a price that it should do well. 

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    My guess is that there may have been some in-fighting at GM about how the production for three different divisions would play out on the same platform.  Chevrolet would want the Camaro 2dr and Impala 4dr.  Buick would get the Avista* coupe/sedan.  Cadillac would get the ATS coupe/sedan. The question then becomes how GM would maintain three separate drivetrains for the three separate divisions.  This could be an R&D spending problem that no one wanted to fund.

     

    *Riviera/Skylark/Avista (Whatever Buick would settle for a name.)

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    Right now I get the vibe that Buick is tired of waiting for Cadillac to move up. The changes in management at Cadillac have put them at least 5 years or more behind moving up market more. They need to move up to create the space for Buick to thrive. As for now they are almost on top each other in part of the segment and it is hurting Buick. 

     

    Also in play is the problems at Holden and Opel as they are working out their issues and Buick needs to wait on them to get sorted so they all can work together globally. 

     

    It sucks but in the auto industry and globalization you have to time all elements to work and GM is just no there and in this case Buick is the one paying the price. 

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    "Right now I get the vibe that Buick is tired of waiting for Cadillac to move up. The changes in management at Cadillac have put them at least 5 years or more behind moving up market more. They need to move up to create the space for Buick to thrive. As for now they are almost on top each other in part of the segment and it is hurting Buick.

    Also in play is the problems at Holden and Opel as they are working out their issues and Buick needs to wait on them to get sorted so they all can work together globally.

    It sucks but in the auto industry and globalization you have to time all elements to work and GM is just no there and in this case Buick is the one paying the price."

     

    That is right on the money, hyperv6!

    This coupe had a lot of Jaguar in its design. I'll bet Cadillac got scared of it, too.

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    not a shocker.

     

    was at the auto show last weekend here, almost no concept cars.  I can't remember one really.  The fact that Buick did this one is amazing.  

     

    Two really old dudes with hanging guts and suspenders off the farm were standing near me by the Envision and new LaCrosse on platforms.  They were commenting on how they liked the new LaCrosse.  The new one is not as sporty as the current one.  I surmise the oldsters liking the new LaCrosse means they are ok with somewhat sedate looking Buicks.

     

    So, it might be amazing if any of Avista's lines ever make it to any Buick's models. 

     

     

    I found the new Lacrosse more Lexus like and less Malibu like. I have never really considered the Lacrosse as sporty. 

    To be honest the new car in Photos really show no interest to me but in person I really thought it was a very nice car and at a price that it should do well. 

     

    it was really interesting how one of the guys said the 'fender swish' (or whatever term he used for it) was different on the new LaCrosse than on the whole preceding Buick history.

     

    Guess they notice when someone screws with the SWEEP SPEAR

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    I know some of you guys were excited for the Avista, I just can't see how it made sense for the Buick brand. If they refused to greenlight an IDEAL Buick in the form of the full-size Avenir boulevard cruiser with a design brimming with heritage cues, why would they pursue a compact RWD sport coupe/sedan whose only Buick trademark was the badge?

     

    Not only was the Avista out of sync with the rest of the brand, but it created a direct competitor to GM's own alpha chassis vehicles under Chevy and Cadillac.

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    I guess that if you made an Avenir coupe it might get cross-shopped with the ATS and Camaro. But they already had a Plan B: a four-door coupe that would be a layout unique to Buick. It would use an existing chassis and drivelines, and it could go down the Lansing Grand River assembly line like any other Alpha.

    For me, this decision is a forehead-slapper.

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    People need to learn the difference between production ready and engineered show cars and pure styling show cars. In years past show cars were pure styling and little production or even engineered. Case in point most of the cars at Motorama over the years. Few of those cars made production but elements used on many were applied to the production cars. 

    Later in the 90's and later many cars were basically production cars that were customized to become show cars that later were relieved to be production cars. The intent was clear as so many of them were drivers that did not have to be babied. Case in point the Intimdator Monte Carlo from 2000. I was in that car and while it featured many costume things and a built up engine it really was based on the coming production car and could really be drive. I know because I have been in that one as well several other GM show cars of that era. 

     

    The case here is the Avista was a car that a styling group did and just plopped it on a Camaro platform as it was close to what they needed. There is no real world engineering here. It would not do anything in a crash test, It would high side on some drive entrances.  It has brakes that cost a ton of money in wheels that would never work on the street properly. It has an interior that was printed. I would wager the car is very limited in mobility and a large hole in the road would crack the body that is molded. 

     

    The work and time to make this car into production would be a investment. Then the other issue is the sales of coupes today. As much as we here like them they account for a very small amount of sales to justify investment outside of a Camaro. At least with the ATS the higher price can help cover some of the cost but lets face it how many ATS coupes do you see in a week? 

     

    Sure they could put it on a Alpha. But how many would you have to sell to make it profitable. Could or would Opel want it or not. As of now the Alpha is not RHD so Australia the natural choice is out. You may sell 50K units at a price around the ATS but then you can't go there till Cadillac get the revamp on the ATS to move it up as soon as they can move the CTS up. 

     

    The bottom line here is the Styling department has shown what they can do. GM saw the reaction and is not forgetting it but they are just not going to fling a car out there till all the ducks are in a row here. They do not want another SSR on their hands or another XLR. Even the last Camaro had compromises because of the show car things they carried over and did not fix till now. 

     

    We will see some cool Buicks once they get the global thing sorted with the new product. As of now China is supporting them and other things that are much more important and profitable need to be done and other brands and models need to be moved to create space to work. GM no longer is a house that will work against it's self like in the past. Changes slowing the Cadillac transition and the Opel Buick and now Holden melding has changed their plans and they are now being attended to. 

     

    If only say just build it was the only thing needed to be be considered that would be grand but building cars and positioning models is not that easy or fast. Especially with GM coming off an era where they had a lot to fix and deal with. 

     

    When I saw the Avisa I slapped my forehead and said there is no way in hell they could build this as it is and I can already hear the bitching that they changed the car from what the show car was. 

    Again you have to look a these cars with a a reality of was this a show car or a custom production car? 

     

    Even the 53 Vette really kind of sucked being a show car that went production. If they had not made the changes they would have had a short run with no crank up windows and the inline six automatic. 

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      Horsepower @ RPM: 200 @ 5,500
      Torque @ RPM: 207 @ 1,800 - 4,500, 221 @ 2,200 - 4,000 (with overboost)
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 20/27/23
      Curb Weight: 3,979 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: Gliwice, Poland
      Base Price: $36,065
      As Tested Price: $37,385 (Includes $925.00 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      Deep Sky Metallic - $395.00
      Year: 2016
      Make: Chevrolet
      Model: Camaro Convertible
      Trim: SS
      Engine: 6.2L VVT DI V8
      Driveline: Rear-Wheel Drive, Eight-Speed Automatic
      Horsepower @ RPM: 455 @ 6,000
      Torque @ RPM: 455 @ 4,400
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 17/28/20
      Curb Weight: 3,966 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: Lansing, MI
      Base Price: $48,300
      As Tested Price: $54,075 (Includes $995.00 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      Magnetic Ride Control - $1,695.00
      Eight-Speed Automatic - $1,495.00
      Dual-Mode Exhaust - $895.00
      Chevrolet MyLink with Navigation - $495.00
      20" 5-Split Spoke Aluminum Wheels - $200.00

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    • By William Maley
      Summertime means something different for everyone. For some, it’s time to enjoy the sunshine and warm weather. For others, it is the time to take that trip you have been thinking about for awhile. If you’re an automotive writer like myself, summertime means convertible season. The feeling of having the roof down and enjoying the expanded view of the sky is something quite special. This summer saw two of GM’s latest convertibles roll into the Cheers & Gears’ Detroit garage, the new Buick Cascada and recently redesigned Chevrolet Camaro SS convertible. How did these two droptops fare in the summer heat?
      Exterior:
      There is no denying the Opel/Vauxhall roots of the Buick Cascada as it is just basically the Cascada sold in Europe with Buick basing. But that isn’t a bad thing since the Cascada is handsome for the most part. The front features a new grille design and headlights with LED accents. The side profile reveals short overhangs for the front and rear. These overhangs make the side look somewhat oddly proportioned. A set 20-inch wheels come standard. Around back, a long chrome bar runs along the trunk lid into the taillights. 
      On the opposite end is the Chevrolet Camaro. If you’re looking for something quiet and doesn’t bring attention, then maybe you should pass on it. Redesigned last year, Chevrolet retained the Camaro’s basic profile with its sharp lines and rounded corners. But major work was done on the front and rear ends. The front features a narrow top grille and slim headlights. A massive grille sits underneath between a set of deep cuts into the front bumper. The back has been cleaned up with a new trunk lid design, rectangular headlights, and quad-exhaust tips. 
      One item both the Cascada and Camaro share is a fabric top. Putting the top down or up takes under 20 seconds for both vehicles. With the tops down, both vehicles look quite good. But put the tops up and the Cascada is the better looking of the two. I can’t put my finger as to why, but I think it deals with how the Cascada has a little bit more glass than the Camaro. 
      Interior:
      Unfortunately, both the Cascada and Camaro fall on their face when it comes to the interior for different reasons.
      In the case of the Cascada, it features the dash from the outgoing Verano and Encore. This reveals that the Cascada is older despite what Buick may have you think. For example, the center stack is laden with buttons and it will take you a few moments to find the specific one you’re looking for. Not helping is the Cascada using GM’s last-generation infotainment system. While the system is easy to use, the interface is looking very dated. It would have been nice if Buick could have slipped in the dash from the updated Encore into the Cascade, but that would have likely introduced more problems than solutions.
      On the upside, the Cascada’s interior is well-built and features decent quality materials. A fair amount of dash and door panels feature some soft touch material. The front seats are comfortable for short and long distance trips. Power adjustments for the driver’s seat make it easy to find a position that works. One touch Buick deserves applause for is the seat belt presenter. The front seat belts are nestled away when the Cascada is turned off to make it easier to get in and out of the back seat. But when you start it up, the presenter extends for both the driver and passenger to buckle in. The back seat provides enough space for kids or small adults. Taller folks like myself will find minimal legroom. With the top up, anyone sitting back here will feel very confined. With the top down, this feeling goes away. 
      Step into the 2016 Camaro Convertible’s interior and you’ll find the same retro ideas from the previous model such as the shape of the dash and circular vents. But Chevrolet improved the overall usability of the Camaro’s interior. For example, the retro-inspired engine information gauges that were placed ahead of the shifter in the previous generation are gone. In its place are a set of air vents that also control the temperature of the climate control system. 
      Our tester featured the optional Chevrolet MyLink system with navigation. We know we’re beating a dead horse with our complaints with MyLink such as a slow response when going from various screens and recognizing devices plugged into the USB ports. But you would think that GM would maybe issue an update or something by now to fix some of these issues? Like other Chevrolet models we have driven this year, the Camaro’s MyLink system comes with Android Auto and Apple CarPlay compatibility. We tried CarPlay and found it to be easier to use than most automaker’s infotainment systems. But, we had issues with apps crashing and the system not always recognizing our phone.
      The front bucket seats are quite comfortable and will hold you in if you decide to tackle that special road aggressively. A set of power adjustments makes it easy for anyone to find a comfortable position. The back seat is best reserved for small kids or extra storage as legroom is nonexistent. You would think that the Camaro Convertible wouldn’t feel as claustrophobic as the coupe since you can put the top down, but it isn’t. Sitting in the Camaro convertible with the top down, I felt like I was being contained in a small box. Blame the high belt line for this.
      Powertrain:
      Power for the Buick Cascada comes from a turbocharged 1.6L four-cylinder with 200 horsepower and 207 pound-feet of torque. This is paired with a six-speed automatic. The figures are impressive for this engine. But drop it into the Cascada and it is quite disappointing. Performance is very lethargic as the engine has to overcome the nearly two tons of Cascada. It feels like an eternity getting up to speed and you’ll find yourself putting the pedal to the floor to get the vehicle moving at a sufficient rate. EPA figures for the Cascada stand at 20 City/27 Highway/23 Combined. My average for the week landed at 21 mpg. 
      The Camaro’s engine lineup includes a 3.6L V6, turbocharged 2.0L four, and our SS tester’s 6.2L V8. The V8 pumps out 455 horsepower and 455 pound-feet of torque. We had the optional eight-speed automatic, but you can get a six-speed manual. The V8 makes the Camaro Convertible stupidly fun. I found myself wanting to roll down the window at a stop light to tell the vehicle next to me “let me play you the song of my people” before stomping on the accelerator and having the V8 roar into life as the light turns green. The engine will pin you in your seat if you floor it and there is a never-ending stream of power throughout the rev range. A nice touch is the optional dual-mode exhaust system that only amplifies the noises of the V8. The eight-speed automatic is ofine around town and on the highway but stumbles somewhat in enthusiastic driving where it takes a moment to downshift when slowing down. Fuel economy for the Camaro SS Convertible stands at 17 City/28 Highway/20 Combined. I got about 19 mpg during my week-long test.
      Ride & Handling:
      Describing the ride and handling characteristics of the Cascada can be summed up in one word; smooth. Buick’s engineers tuned the Cascada’s suspension to deliver an almost magic carpet ride. Even with a set of twenty-inch wheels as standard equipment, the Cascada is able to deal with rough roads with no issues. Around corners, the Cascada feels planted and body roll is kept in check. But don’t plan on doing anything enthusiastic with it. The steering is a little bit too light for it. Drive it like a relaxed cruiser and you’ll enjoy it. Wind buffeting is minimal with either the windows rolled up or down.
      The Camaro Convertible is shocking as to how well it handles. Part of this comes down to optional Magnetic Ride Control (MRC) system which limits body roll. Chevrolet engineers also worked on improving the structural rigidity of the Camaro. The combination makes the convertible just as good as the coupe in corners. Direction change is fast and there is plenty of grip coming from the meaty tires. Where the Camaro Convertible falters is the ride quality. The SS comes with a set of twenty-inch wheels. While they do look sharp, it makes for a somewhat unbearable ride. Bumps of any size are clearly transmitted to those sitting inside. MRC does its best to provide a comfortable ride, but it might be worth considering going down to a smaller wheel to improve the ride. Wind buffeting is kept in check with the windows up or down.
      Price:
      The 2016 Buick Cascada starts at $33,065 for the base model. Our up-level Premium starts at $36,065 and comes to an as-tested price of $37,385 thanks to the vehicle being finished in an optional blue color. You really don’t get much in terms of additional features when compared to the base Cascada aside from some additional safety features - front and rear parking sensors, lane departure warning, and forward collision alert - and automatic wipers. Also for that amount of cash, you could with the Audi A3 cabriolet which offers a slightly more premium interior. But you would lose out on the larger back seat of the Cascada. You would be better off with the base Cascada.
      If you have your heart set on a Camaro Convertible, be ready to shell out the cash. The 2016 Camaro 2SS Convertible carries a base sticker of $48,300 - $6,005 more expensive than the coupe. Add on the list of options fitted to our tester such as the eight-speed automatic, magnetic ride control, and dual-mode exhaust system and you’ll end up with an as-tested price of $54,075. I’ll give you a moment to pick yourself up from the floor due to the price shock. The Camaro is nice car all-around, but is it really worth dropping $54,000?! We’re not so sure. 
      Verdict:
      Both of vehicles have issues that don’t make them as appealing. The Cascada’s engine either needs to be kicked to the curb or head off to the gym to get a bit more power. It would nice if Buick could also figure how to put in the dash from the updated Encore into the Cascada, although that might prove to be an engineering nightmare and something that would be better suited for the next-generation model. The Camaro Convertible’s price tag will make a number of people and their bank accounts cry. Also for being a convertible, the Camaro still feels as claustrophobic as the coupe.
      But when you drop the tops in both models, you forget all about the issues. Instead, you begin to take in the sky and rush of the wind. This makes you remember why you bought a convertible, to enjoy the feeling of openness. It is only when you put the top back up that makes you wonder if you can live with the issues. In the case of the Cascada, the answer is no. The Camaro is a maybe.
       
       
      Disclaimer: General Motors Provided the Cascada and Camaro; Insurance, and One Tank of Gas
      Year: 2016
      Make: Buick
      Model: Cascada
      Trim: Premium
      Engine: Turbocharged 1.6L SIDI DOHC with VVT
      Driveline: Front-Wheel Drive, Six-Speed Automatic
      Horsepower @ RPM: 200 @ 5,500
      Torque @ RPM: 207 @ 1,800 - 4,500, 221 @ 2,200 - 4,000 (with overboost)
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 20/27/23
      Curb Weight: 3,979 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: Gliwice, Poland
      Base Price: $36,065
      As Tested Price: $37,385 (Includes $925.00 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      Deep Sky Metallic - $395.00
      Year: 2016
      Make: Chevrolet
      Model: Camaro Convertible
      Trim: SS
      Engine: 6.2L VVT DI V8
      Driveline: Rear-Wheel Drive, Eight-Speed Automatic
      Horsepower @ RPM: 455 @ 6,000
      Torque @ RPM: 455 @ 4,400
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 17/28/20
      Curb Weight: 3,966 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: Lansing, MI
      Base Price: $48,300
      As Tested Price: $54,075 (Includes $995.00 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      Magnetic Ride Control - $1,695.00
      Eight-Speed Automatic - $1,495.00
      Dual-Mode Exhaust - $895.00
      Chevrolet MyLink with Navigation - $495.00
      20" 5-Split Spoke Aluminum Wheels - $200.00
    • By William Maley
      The Buick Enclave and Chevrolet Traverse are well past their sell-by-date. GM knows this and will be introducing new versions of both within the next year. We haven't seen any spy shots of either model, til today.
      Autoblog published some spy shots of the next-generation Buick Enclave undergoing some hot-weather testing in Death Valley. From the shots, it looks like Buick will be retaining the shape of the current model. Although, it looks like the roofline has changed somewhat towards the back. We can pick out the new grille that we first saw on the new LaCrosse along with a set of LED running lights.
      The Enclave is expected to use a stretched version of the Chi platform that currently underpins the new GMC Acadia.
      Source: Autoblog

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