All-New 2023 Chevrolet Colorado goes All Turbo

This looks SOOOOOO much better than the outgoing model! 

Also, the 2.7 should have been in this the second the Silverado got it. I think any of those output levels will suffice no problem here. 

56 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

This looks SOOOOOO much better than the outgoing model! 

Also, the 2.7 should have been in this the second the Silverado got it. I think any of those output levels will suffice no problem here. 

I could see myself in a nice Z71. I don't need the ZR2, I'm not under any illusion that I'll ever go off-road.

Remember that the previous one actually dates back further than what we got here in the US.  It probably wasn't compatible with the new engine without some major changes, so they held it back until the replacement.

Nice for an Ice! 😛

Looks like good improvements over the prior model.  Turbo 4 is a good idea as well.

Not sure why they don't just go with 2 tune levels on the engine, two versions of the engine, both making 310 hp seems a bit meaningless.

19 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Looks like good improvements over the prior model.  Turbo 4 is a good idea as well.

Not sure why they don't just go with 2 tune levels on the engine, two versions of the engine, both making 310 hp seems a bit meaningless.

Not meaningless at all when one has 40 more in torque. 
 

Overall, this is a major upgrade even thigh the current Colorados are still decent mid-size trucks. The interior is night and day better. 

46 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Not meaningless at all when one has 40 more in torque. 
 

Overall, this is a major upgrade even thigh the current Colorados are still decent mid-size trucks. The interior is night and day better. 

So just make the high output version.

A hybrid would be a better 3rd option since Ford has the Maverick and F150 hybrids and I assume will do a Ranger hybrid.

18 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

So just make the high output version.

A hybrid would be a better 3rd option since Ford has the Maverick and F150 hybrids and I assume will do a Ranger hybrid.

Who would actually BUY a hybrid pickup truck, midsize or full size?  I do hope that the Colorado/Canyon see a real sales increase thanks to those changes.  (Is this an MCE or an all-new truck?)

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

So just make the high output version.

A hybrid would be a better 3rd option since Ford has the Maverick and F150 hybrids and I assume will do a Ranger hybrid.

It's called "options" which is commonplace with domestic trucks. There is also really no need for a hybrid either when an EV is probably right behind this (especially given that an EV Silverado is due in in a year (as a '24 model). The Colorado will probably be a a year or three behind it. If there were no EVs, then a hybrid option would suit but I just don't see that here given GMs obvious long term plans.

1 hour ago, riviera74 said:

Who would actually BUY a hybrid pickup truck, midsize or full size?  I do hope that the Colorado/Canyon see a real sales increase thanks to those changes.  (Is this an MCE or an all-new truck?)

This too. The Maverick gets the expedition here since it is a smaller pick up and also FWD so just a different beach altogether. Hybrid RWD trucks just don't gain much on the MPG front for whatever reason. 

15 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

It's called "options" which is commonplace with domestic trucks. There is also really no need for a hybrid either when an EV is probably right behind this (especially given that an EV Silverado is due in in a year (as a '24 model). The Colorado will probably be a a year or three behind it. If there were no EVs, then a hybrid option would suit but I just don't see that here given GMs obvious long term plans.

This too. The Maverick gets the expedition here since it is a smaller pick up and also FWD so just a different beach altogether. Hybrid RWD trucks just don't gain much on the MPG front for whatever reason. 

"options" would be offering a hybrid too, could be a plug-in.

The thing EV trucks are bad at are towing, because it zaps the range.  So something like a hybrid F150 could tow long distance, and still have their pro-power onboard thing that lets you power a job site or camp site or whatever electric tools or camping stuff you want to plug in.  

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

"options" would be offering a hybrid too, could be a plug-in.

Your "option" requires a heavier re-investment since the last plug-in Chevy was killed off two years ago (Volt). Again, their EV plan kills any need for a hybrid of any kind here considering the minimal gains I just discussed above. I am not going to go back and forth on this.

And yes, EVs lose range when towing. Last time I checked, gas powered trucks lose a bunch of energy too when towing. That is mostly made up hype, short of extreme towing.

The Silverado makes 310 hp and 420 lb-ft,  the F150 430 hp and 570 lb-ft.   + 120 hp, +150 lb-ft, + 5 mpg for the hybrid.  Seems like more than a minimal gain, but I get GM doesn't want to spend money on anything ICE related, and just get the switch to EV as fast as possible, which is fine if they do the switch fast.  If they plan on another 10-15 years of ICE, then might as well hybrid it.

Good looking truck...nice interior. The underbody camera is a neat feature.

8 hours ago, smk4565 said:

The Silverado makes 310 hp and 420 lb-ft,  the F150 430 hp and 570 lb-ft.   + 120 hp, +150 lb-ft, + 5 mpg for the hybrid.  Seems like more than a minimal gain, but I get GM doesn't want to spend money on anything ICE related, and just get the switch to EV as fast as possible, which is fine if they do the switch fast.  If they plan on another 10-15 years of ICE, then might as well hybrid it.

There’s a very important part you are missing in that comparison. That hybrid is considerably more expansive than that 2.7L Chevy (about $10K more last I checked). That 5 MPG does not make up the huge price difference. Another part you’re not getting is the huge gulf between the volume of full size vs mid size trucks. Ford could justify a hybrid with their huge sales numbers. There is no case for a hybrid for Chevy and the Colorado, knowing that simple fact. 

8 hours ago, smk4565 said:

If they plan on another 10-15 years of ICE, then might as well hybrid it.

Again, with an electric Silverado coming in a year or so, that is clearly NOT their plan. Not sure what you are not understanding here. 

I am a little surprised they didn't electrify this in any way. It would have been a great way to corner the 30mpg capable truck market. 

I know the Maverick can achieve that but, this obviously can do more work and 30mpg would probably cut into Maverick sales, assuming it wasn't 50k. 

I wonder if the new Ranger will offer a hybrid or EV version..it's due out in the next year or so?   I assume it will offer the same powertrains as the Bronco.

21 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Looks like good improvements over the prior model.  Turbo 4 is a good idea as well.

Not sure why they don't just go with 2 tune levels on the engine, two versions of the engine, both making 310 hp seems a bit meaningless.

That's partially my fault that you don't see it.  For some reason the chart breaks in the forum version of the article, but if you view it from the front page, you'll see that the highest tune is only for the ZR2 model. In both cases the engines get their peak torque at 3000 rpm, but the ZR2 gets 40 additional torques.  Along with other performance stuff, it makes the ZR2 more specialer. 

All I can say is be here Monday morning for some interesting news from a competitor. 

1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

I wonder if the new Ranger will offer a hybrid or EV version..it's due out in the next year or so?   I assume it will offer the same powertrains as the Bronco.

I believe it's rumored to possibly get the Lighting treatment. I think they patented the names Maverick Lightning and Ranger Lightning. 

2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

I am a little surprised they didn't electrify this in any way. It would have been a great way to corner the 30mpg capable truck market. 

I know the Maverick can achieve that but, this obviously can do more work and 30mpg would probably cut into Maverick sales, assuming it wasn't 50k. 

Ford I suspect due to existing Hybrids already was going down that road where GM had killed the VOLT and was not looking to Hybrid anything, so at this point, EV is the future, this is a very nice and decent stop gap till then.

1 minute ago, David said:

this is a very nice and decent stop gap till then.

This isn't a stop-gap at all. This is just the same thing they've done for 100 years, 100% ICE. 

This appears to be a pretty awesome product, but it isn't a stop-gap-anything. It's just another truck. 

4 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I believe it's rumored to possibly get the Lighting treatment. I think they patented the names Maverick Lightning and Ranger Lightning. 

I think a Maverick Lightning is way off.  Manufacturers sometimes just trademark* names to grab them or hold on to them.  GM routinely renews trademarks on names that have gone out of production years ago.... only once in a while do they come back, like Electra.  There is such a thing as trademark trolls that try to guess the names of upcoming products and then hold them ransom. 

9 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I think a Maverick Lightning is way off.  Manufacturers sometimes just trademark* names to grab them or hold on to them.  GM routinely renews trademarks on names that have gone out of production years ago.... only once in a while do they come back, like Electra.  There is such a thing as trademark trolls that try to guess the names of upcoming products and then hold them ransom. 

Oh yeah, I don't think a full EV Maverick will be here anytime "soon", just saying that it may be in the pipeline. 

9 minutes ago, David said:

Ford I suspect due to existing Hybrids already was going down that road where GM had killed the VOLT and was not looking to Hybrid anything, so at this point, EV is the future, this is a very nice and decent stop gap till then.

GM has/had like 6 completely different hybrid systems developed, that said, the Colorado would never have gotten Voltec as it was the second most expensive hybrid powertrain they ever designed. (The first being the 2-mode hybrid, but at least they split those costs with Daimler-Chrysler and BMW). The other option would have been the hybrid from the CT6, but they aren't putting the powertrain from an $80k car into a $27k base truck.

At best, it would have been a modified version of the final Malibu Hybrid, but that would not have stood up to truck duty because it uses a CVT.

Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

The other option would have been the hybrid from the CT6, but they aren't putting the powertrain from an $80k car into a $27k base truck.

Well, I certainly wouldn't put anything like that past them. They claimed the 2.7T was for trucks only then it appeared in 50k Cadillacs and then in 27k trucks again. 

1 hour ago, David said:

Ford I suspect due to existing Hybrids already was going down that road where GM had killed the VOLT and was not looking to Hybrid anything, so at this point, EV is the future, this is a very nice and decent stop gap till then.

Exactly the point I made to SMK. There is no longer an existing hybrid set up for GM to even use at this point and with EVs right around the corner, it doesn’t make sense to put money into it. 

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

At best, it would have been a modified version of the final Malibu Hybrid, but that would not have stood up to truck duty because it uses a CVT.

The “CVT” part as well as the fact that this is a RWD truck whereas the Maverick is FWD with mates up better with a CVT. The Colorado better never go the CVT route.