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    Ford CEO Reveals F-150 Hybrid Is Coming In 2020

    There is a F-150 Hybrid Coming..

    A hybrid full-size pickup is on the horizon and will be wearing a blue oval badge.

     

    In an interview with NPR's All Things Considered, Ford CEO Mark Fields confirmed that a hybrid F-150 is coming.

     

    "Well, we do have plans to have a rear-wheel drive hybrid truck but the end of the decade. So yes, we're working on electrified F-series, and it's really around a conventional hybrid," said Fields.

     

    This follows comments made by Ford's development chief, Raj Nair last year when he said a rear-drive hybrid truck would come out in 2020. Nair also mentioned that hybrid SUVs are also on the way.

     

    Before you think this is the result of Ford and Toyota's partnership to do hybrid pickups in 2010, it isn't. In 2013, the two automakers dissolved their partnership and went their separate ways.

     

    Source: NPR


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    So Hopefully GM will use a beefed up VOLT system and do this to their Pickups. Both full size and mid size.

     

    Mid Size should already be in the works as this is a no brainer. City living folks would love a mid size pickup to us for their Home Depot runs. Mostly would be always pure electric.

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    if GM could "2mode" their 8speeds.. that'd be a no-brainer, then just have to decide if it's a v6 or v8 and where would the bater pack go.

     

    but to ford... did they help in any transmission electrification? would they just use a fusion hybrid setup? and i'm not really familiar with how the fusion's works.

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    I wish Chevy made a hybrid Colorado when I ordered mine so I could make a big stink about not choosing one.  ;)

     

    But then you would not be making a stink you would be bragging about the 40 miles petro free commute. :P;)

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    if GM could "2mode" their 8speeds.. that'd be a no-brainer, then just have to decide if it's a v6 or v8 and where would the bater pack go.

     

    but to ford... did they help in any transmission electrification? would they just use a fusion hybrid setup? and i'm not really familiar with how the fusion's works.

     

    ..... GM already has a 4-mode hybrid coming in the CT6. It's not being called a 4-mode, but that's essentially what it is.   And calling it a "6-speed" or "8-Speed" would be a misnomer since it is really a series of CVTs.  Cadillac is referring to it as an eCVT.

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    ^ Hopefully their eCVT is better than my current experience with CVTs which I say pass on. Give me a traditional 9 speed tranny any day.

     

    I was wrong, they are calling it an EVT (Electronic Variable Transmission).   You can read more in the article that I posted back during the LA Auto Show - Cadillac CT6 Hybrid

     

    But the basic gist is this - It is three CVTs with electric motors built in combined with 5 clutches that blend power from the electric motor and gas engine.  I wouldn't expect it to feel like a traditional CVT at all, yet it won't have shift points. 

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    ^ Hopefully their eCVT is better than my current experience with CVTs which I say pass on. Give me a traditional 9 speed tranny any day.

     

    I was wrong, they are calling it an EVT (Electronic Variable Transmission).   You can read more in the article that I posted back during the LA Auto Show - Cadillac CT6 Hybrid

     

    But the basic gist is this - It is three CVTs with electric motors built in combined with 5 clutches that blend power from the electric motor and gas engine.  I wouldn't expect it to feel like a traditional CVT at all, yet it won't have shift points. 

     

     

    Very cool, will read your posting again, some how I missed this info on it. Thanks Drew.

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    2020 model year isn't that far off. We're already into 2016's and it's very common to see next model year's vehicle in the previous year. It's basically 2016 already and they tend to put things out early so 2019. Three years isn't "a long way off" if you ask me. Much closer than any other truck at the moment so it's still a good thing to hear. 

     

    I think it is safe to say they are finishing up the 10spd first then the hybrid system to work with that, just my assumption. 

    Edited by ccap41

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    Hybrid pick up is a very smart move. 2020 seems like a long time though. And you have to offer 4 wheel drive. Put a pair of 50 hp electric motor on the front wheels at least.

     

    Any new model due to be released in 2020 is probably 1/3rd of the way through the development phase at this point.

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    They're so late to the party.  Everyone has already jumped on... and OFF this bandwagon.  Because it didn't work and no one wanted it.

     

    Silverado Hybrid

    Tahoe Hybrid

    Yukon Hybrid

    Escalade Hybrid

    Aspen Hybrid

    Durango Hybrid

     

    All relegated to the dustbin, where they belong.

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    They're so late to the party.  Everyone has already jumped on... and OFF this bandwagon.  Because it didn't work and no one wanted it.

     

    Silverado Hybrid

    Tahoe Hybrid

    Yukon Hybrid

    Escalade Hybrid

    Aspen Hybrid

    Durango Hybrid

     

    All relegated to the dustbin, where they belong.

     

    Ocnblu you know that they all ended up in the dustbin due to ignorance and lack of marketing by the companies. You design, build and bring out a 2 mode Hybrid that gets a constant 22 mpg and then do not bother to market and let the world know of it so of course it is going to die. 

     

    If you talk to people who own them, they are going to drive these auto's till the wheels fall off and parts are no longer available. They are well built and do what they were designed to do, increased MPG in a full size SUV.

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    Smallblock can achieve 22 MPG by itself without the crappy add-ons.

     

    Yes so take the current small block and add the hybrid components and get even higher MPG. Really you need to accept change, otherwise you are going to have a hard time with the future my friend.

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    Smallblock can achieve 22 MPG by itself without the crappy add-ons.

     

    So why not aim for better in the city and a little better on the highway?.... plus have outlets to run powertools (that's my main reason for interest in one)  The outlets in most cars don't have the amperage to run a power saw. 

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    Smallblock can achieve 22 MPG by itself without the crappy add-ons.

    Not around town it can't. That's the largest benefit from a hybrid. The initial getting the vehicle moving wastes a ton of fuel. 

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    A 22 mpg hybrid sucks though. That is why the 2-modes failed. If this F150 gets 30 mpg city, and the small block Silverado is getting 16, Chevy better be worried. And 30 mpg is a realistic target I think. They took a Fusion from 24 to 48 mpg a 200% increase, 30 mpg on an F150 should be easy.

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    A 22 mpg hybrid sucks though. That is why the 2-modes failed. If this F150 gets 30 mpg city, and the small block Silverado is getting 16, Chevy better be worried. And 30 mpg is a realistic target I think. They took a Fusion from 24 to 48 mpg a 200% increase, 30 mpg on an F150 should be easy.

     

    How much can someone get wrong in a single post?

     

    The Silverado Hybrid came out in 2008 and exactly ZERO V8 trucks at that time got 22mpg highway.  Not Ford, not Ram, not Nissan, not Toyota. In fact, the Silverado's city mpg beats the highway mpg of all of those I mentioned.   So, back then, it was a very large increase in fuel economy. The Silverado Hybrid was paired to the 6.0 liter V8 with 335 hp.   But you're comparing 8 year old technology to modern standards.  So let's put on our imagineering caps and think about this for a second.  The new 5.3 can already equal the old Silverado hybrid on highway MPG, it also has more horsepower than the old 6.0 liter.  Pairing the new 4-mode system to the 5.3 liter would do even better.  That's point one that you get wrong.

     

    Point two - The Fusion hybrid system will NOT be the same system used in the F-150... it would be absolutely DAFT to think that would be the case.  People complained about only a 6,100 lb tow rating in the Silverado hybrid, so how low do you think the tow rating in a Ford F-150 with a CVT would be?!  the F-150 hybrid system would have to be completely different from the Fusion and not use a CVT.... so you CANNOT extrapolate anything from the Fusion. 

     

    Point three - The two modes didn't sell because they were too expensive at the time, but the technology has been updated and lives on today, so it didn't "fail".  The system can be anything from a basic hybrid setup to a full plug-in system like the Volt.  The only determining factor is number of batteries you can pack into the vehicle. 

     

    Point four - The technology at GM is ready today, they just need to install it in their trucks.... it won't take till 2020 to do that.

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    They're so late to the party.  Everyone has already jumped on... and OFF this bandwagon.  Because it didn't work and no one wanted it.

     

    Silverado Hybrid

    Tahoe Hybrid

    Yukon Hybrid

    Escalade Hybrid

    Aspen Hybrid

    Durango Hybrid

     

    All relegated to the dustbin, where they belong.

     

    Agreed. The market for hybrid trucks just isn't there. I'll be shocked if the Ford hybrid makes any waves. Diesel is the way to go, and I believe there's a rumor Ford is working on that, too.

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    Ford hybrids up to now have been proven farces when it comes to ACTUALLY ACHIEVING the lofty numbers promised by the manufacturer.  They are silly wastes of time and they need to fall by the wayside like any other failed idea.

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    Ford hybrids up to now have been proven farces when it comes to ACTUALLY ACHIEVING the lofty numbers promised by the manufacturer.  They are silly wastes of time and they need to fall by the wayside like any other failed idea.

     

    The Fusion Hybrid is rated at 42 MPG combined... and it seems to get... 42mpg combined

    The Ford CMax Hybrid is rated at 40 MPG combined.... and it seems to get a bit over 40 mpg combined

     

    soo.... 

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    Are those links?  Are these written before or after the public shaming Ford was handed over their hybrid mileage debacle?  Should I go to them and find out?

     

    Haha... looks like the Fusion average is based on a SEVEN VEHICLE sample... and the C-Max sample is... did I read that right?  TWO VEHICLES?

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