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    Spying: Excuse Me, But Does That F-150 Have A Diesel?


    • A Diesel F-150. Wait, What?

    Ford is looking to cover a number of bases when it comes to F-150. They have their EcoBoost engines and we know a hybrid is coming in 2020. But there could be a diesel engine as well.

     

    New spy shots show a mostly standard F-150 with a camouflaged bed and an interesting exhaust tip. The spy photographer also noticed the distinct sound of a diesel engine, thus leading to the conclusion that Ford is considering a diesel option.

     

    But what engine? Your first guess might be the 3.2 PowerStoke five-cylinder diesel engine, but according Left Lane News, it's a 3.0L turbodiesel V6 codenamed Lion. This engine is actually the same one you'll find under the hood of the upcoming Range Rover and Range Rover Sport Td6. Power for those models is rated at 254 horsepower and 440 pound-feet of torque.

     

    Now Left Lane says we could see this introduced in the second half of 2016. We'll be watching.

     

    Source: Left Lane News

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    I know it makes sense to go small diesel but I was hoping they would do something like the 5.0 Cummins, Maybe a 4.0 V8 diesel. That'd be pretty gnarly. 

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    I know it makes sense to go small diesel but I was hoping they would do something like the 5.0 Cummins, Maybe a 4.0 V8 diesel. That'd be pretty gnarly. 

     

    Those are more for the big heavy duties though... the only reason Nissan went with it for the Titan is because they don't have a true HD truck and the new Titan is a pig.

     

    This is a fuel economy diesel option for half-ton drivers.  If they build this, I could probably talk my parents into one since they put a ton of miles on their trucks.... though it would most likely replace my mom's king ranch since my dad's extremely clean looking 1995 F150 with over 300k miles on it is a source of pride for him.

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    That exhaust tip serves as an exhaust cooler for aftertreatment systems. Absolutely a diesel. 

     

    Ahh. When I was writing up the story, many reports said it was a Venturi exhaust tip and I was like 'WHAT?'. Thanks for clearing that up.

     

     

    On another note, I didn't realized JLR and Ford were sharing new technology.

    Well remember that the Evoque (and a couple of other Land Rover and Jaguar models) uses a 2.0L turbo four is the 2.0L EcoBoost used in the Fusion, Lincoln MKZ, and others.

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    That exhaust tip serves as an exhaust cooler for aftertreatment systems. Absolutely a diesel. 

     

    Ahh. When I was writing up the story, many reports said it was a Venturi exhaust tip and I was like 'WHAT?'. Thanks for clearing that up.

     

     

    On another note, I didn't realized JLR and Ford were sharing new technology.

    Well remember that the Evoque (and a couple of other Land Rover and Jaguar models) uses a 2.0L turbo four is the 2.0L EcoBoost used in the Fusion, Lincoln MKZ, and others.

     

     

    I'm aware of that one... but I meant new and ongoing. The supercharged 3.0 is a modern variant of the old duratec even.   I would imagine that the 2.0T was in development back when Ford still owned JLR and that would have been part of the terms of the sale to Tata.   I just didn't know that new parts sharing was still happening.

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    That exhaust tip serves as an exhaust cooler for aftertreatment systems. Absolutely a diesel.

     

    Ahh. When I was writing up the story, many reports said it was a Venturi exhaust tip and I was like 'WHAT?'. Thanks for clearing that up.

    It is a venturi, that's how it cools the exhaust.

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    I know it makes sense to go small diesel but I was hoping they would do something like the 5.0 Cummins, Maybe a 4.0 V8 diesel. That'd be pretty gnarly.

     

    Those are more for the big heavy duties though... the only reason Nissan went with it for the Titan is because they don't have a true HD truck and the new Titan is a pig.

     

    This is a fuel economy diesel option for half-ton drivers.  If they build this, I could probably talk my parents into one since they put a ton of miles on their trucks.... though it would most likely replace my mom's king ranch since my dad's extremely clean looking 1995 F150 with over 300k miles on it is a source of pride for him.

    That makes perfect sense. I was just hoping, because it would be pretty gnarly.
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    The Lion engine family was developed and manufactured at Ford's Dagenham Diesel Centre for use in PSA Peugeot Citroën vehicles (as DT17 as part of joint venture begun in 1999), Jaguar Cars (as the AJD-V6), and Land Rover vehicles. The engines share the same bore/stroke ratio, with the V6 displacing 2.7L and the V8 displacing 3.6L. The V6 was launched in 2004 and as of 2011 also serves in Ford Australia's Territory SUV; the V8 in 2006. The V6 engine meets the Euro IV emissions standards. A 3.0L was added in 2009 and is based on the 2.7L

     

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_AJD-V6/PSA_DT17

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    30+ mpg on a full size pickup.  #Gamechanger

    RAM already gets that with their diesel. I just wonder if we will hear the same complaints from the same folks who were dogging the RAM Eco-Diesel because of the cost of diesel fuel plus the extra cost of the truck itself. Now that the F-150 may get in the game, I guess we will see the tone change on that dramatically.  :breakdance:

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    30+ mpg on a full size pickup.  #Gamechanger

    RAM already gets that with their diesel. I just wonder if we will hear the same complaints from the same folks who were dogging the RAM Eco-Diesel because of the cost of diesel fuel plus the extra cost of the truck itself. Now that the F-150 may get in the game, I guess we will see the tone change on that dramatically.  :breakdance:

     

     

     

    Got a a link to this thread full of complaints? It would be interesting to see what was said. 

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    I can't really see someone complaining about the cost of diesel. Around here, at least, its cheaper than premium and the increased fuel economy basically makes it moot point. I could understand the cost of the truck itself, but all full-sizers are rather pricey anyways. 

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    I can't really see someone complaining about the cost of diesel. Around here, at least, its cheaper than premium and the increased fuel economy basically makes it moot point. I could understand the cost of the truck itself, but all full-sizers are rather pricey anyways. 

    It wasn't so much diesel itself but when pro RAM eco-diesel folks spoke off its advantages, like torque and 30MPGs, it was countered with a lot of information from the nay-sayers, touting costs of diesel fuel vs. any savings from having diesel. 

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    Wings always took potshots at my truck. He's been pretty quiet in this them read.

    30+ mpg on a full size pickup.  #Gamechanger

    RAM already gets that with their diesel. I just wonder if we will hear the same complaints from the same folks who were dogging the RAM Eco-Diesel because of the cost of diesel fuel plus the extra cost of the truck itself. Now that the F-150 may get in the game, I guess we will see the tone change on that dramatically.  :breakdance:

     

     

    Got a a link to this thread full of complaints? It would be interesting to see what was said.

    I always got potshots from one particular brand troll over my Ram. He's been pretty quiet in this thread.

    A wise choice.

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    I will remind people that arguments from other forums stay at other forums.

    That said, we've already had the Cost of Diesel debate here many many times particularly in regard to Ecoboost v. Ecodiesel.

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    I will remind people that arguments from other forums stay at other forums.

    That said, we've already had the Cost of Diesel debate here many many times particularly in regard to Ecoboost v. Ecodiesel.

    Fair enough. Like I said though, it will interesting to see how opinions will unfold as more information comes in. There was a lot of flak given to the Eco-Deisel for no other reason than it was from a brand that some do not like, hence my original statement.

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    I'm not talking about other forums, if that's what you mean.

    The EcoBoost vs. EcoDiesel thing is largely an issue of how you use your truck.

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    I'm not talking about other forums, if that's what you mean.

    The EcoBoost vs. EcoDiesel thing is largely an issue of how you use your truck.

    He is talking about my references. 

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    I can't really see someone complaining about the cost of diesel. Around here, at least, its cheaper than premium and the increased fuel economy basically makes it moot point. I could understand the cost of the truck itself, but all full-sizers are rather pricey anyways. 

     

    I think more people would like to drive diesels, but the 'big picture' costs are something to consider if you plan to own one long term.

     

    Ram 1500 3.0L V6 TD is rated at 22 combined. the 3.6L gas version is rated at 19.

    On 12,000 miles/yr, the diesel burns 545 gals, the gas; 631.

    Dec 14th national ave for regular : $2.03, diesel : 2.33.

     

    631 gals of 87 = $1280

    545 gals of D = $1269

     

    Cost of diesel option : $4270 + 500 for trans = $4770. At a savings of $11/yr in fuel costs, the Ram diesel will take 433 years to break even on the bottom line.

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    There is up to a 2,000 lbs towing advantage for the EcoDiesel, so it's not exactly and apples to apples comparison unless you're purely using the truck for commuting.

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    30+ mpg on a full size pickup.  #Gamechanger

    RAM already gets that with their diesel. I just wonder if we will hear the same complaints from the same folks who were dogging the RAM Eco-Diesel because of the cost of diesel fuel plus the extra cost of the truck itself. Now that the F-150 may get in the game, I guess we will see the tone change on that dramatically.  :breakdance:

    All depends on the cost of entry... But yes, you are correcto. That is/was my sole issue with it is that the EcoDiesel costs a few grand over the cost of the 5.7.

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    I'm not talking about other forums, if that's what you mean.

    The EcoBoost vs. EcoDiesel thing is largely an issue of how you use your truck.

    Precisely. Completely agree.
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