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    By William Maley •

    Oops! Honda Accidentally Reveals the Upcoming Civic Si's Torque Figure

      Who let the torque figure out?!

    Honda was hoping to surprise us all with the power figures of the upcoming Civic Si, but part of the surprise has been spoiled.

    A member of the CivicX forum posted an email from Honda saying the Civic Si would boast 192 pound-feet of torque from a turbocharged 1.5L four. This number was confirmed by a Honda representative to Road & Track. Compared to the outgoing Si's naturally-aspirated 2.4L engine, the new engine produces 18 more pound-feet (174 vs. 192). 

    We still have questions for the upcoming Civic Si. What is the horsepower rating for the Civic Si? Also, does all of the torque arrive on the low end or high end of the rpm band? We'll hopefully have answers in the near future.

    Source: CivicX, Road & Track

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    G. David Felt

    Still Ugly :puke: 

    Probably will have torque at the low end up to a point where you have to killer rev it to get all the HP and Torque like 10K. 

    No big deal but I am sure the ricer fans will love it! :duck:

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    Stew

    I like it.  the exterior is weird, but i love the interior.  I got this email like last Thursday (yes, I am signed up for updates).  I am going to guess 210 or so on the HP and it should pull pretty well from low rpm to redline.  Considering the current normal 1.5T is as quick, or quicker, than the last Si, this should be a pretty fun little drive.  i also like that it comes with a real limited slip differential.  Also, a ricer is one who does body mods on base models with no real performance upgrades, this thing is going to have a little fire in it's bell and be fun to drive.  That said, I am certainly wishing VW does a next gen bug on the MQB platform.  Not holding my breath, but that with a 2.0T and GTi tuning would be my next vehicle. 

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    Frisky Dingo
    On 3/28/2017 at 8:16 AM, Stew said:

    I like it.  the exterior is weird, but i love the interior.  I got this email like last Thursday (yes, I am signed up for updates).  I am going to guess 210 or so on the HP and it should pull pretty well from low rpm to redline.  Considering the current normal 1.5T is as quick, or quicker, than the last Si, this should be a pretty fun little drive.  i also like that it comes with a real limited slip differential.  Also, a ricer is one who does body mods on base models with no real performance upgrades, this thing is going to have a little fire in it's bell and be fun to drive.  That said, I am certainly wishing VW does a next gen bug on the MQB platform.  Not holding my breath, but that with a 2.0T and GTi tuning would be my next vehicle. 

    VW needs to make the Beetle RWD and rear-engined again!! A mini-911.

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    Stew
    19 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    VW needs to make the Beetle RWD and rear-engined again!! A mini-911.

    RWD AWD or me haha.  Love that idea, make it a real Halo car for VW.  I just wonder what could with the styling?  i think the current model has the perfect Beetle vibe and even has real good room inside for it's small size. 

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    Guest AsianPersuasion

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    This is a winner for Honda, and torque is not as important as we think in a car like this. I love revving my engines to redline.

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    Frisky Dingo
    1 hour ago, Guest AsianPersuasion said:

    This is a winner for Honda, and torque is not as important as we think in a car like this. I love revving my engines to redline.

     

    That's good, because you'll have to rev it out to keep sight of the GTI gapping you in the next lane. :AH-HA:

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    G. David Felt
    1 hour ago, Guest AsianPersuasion said:

    This is a winner for Honda, and torque is not as important as we think in a car like this. I love revving my engines to redline.

    Just enjoy watching the taillights of American and German auto's while you rev your tin fart can engine.

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    Drew Dowdell

    A Turbo 4 should still have the torque low in the RPM band.  Even my weak 1.4T gets all of its 138 ft-lb at around 1700 rpm.... but that's all the torque you ever get.   If the Civic 1.5T gets it's peak torque anywhere near that, it should feel plenty fast. 

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    Drew Dowdell

    It didn't hit me till tonight why I'm so "meh" about this car. A 1996 Eagle Talon, a car a mere 5 years away from being eligible for classic plates,  had 210 HP and 220 lb-ft of torque with only half a liter more displacement. 

    It also could come with AWD and was lighter

    This is progress?

    For a more modern perspective, the Verano Turbo or Cobalt SS blow away the Civic SI on power for about the same price.

    I guess I just expected something more special.

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    oldshurst442
    4 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    It didn't hit me till tonight why I'm so "meh" about this car. A 1996 Eagle Talon, a car a mere 5 years away from being eligible for classic plates,  had 210 HP and 220 lb-ft of torque with only half a liter more displacement. 

    It also could come with AWD and was lighter

    This is progress?

    For a more modern perspective, the Verano Turbo or Cobalt SS blow away the Civic SI on power for about the same price.

    I guess I just expected something more special.

    I never ever thought of that. About the Eagle Talon...

    I refrained from commenting because I really had no idea what opinion to have about this latest Civic. Now, thanx to your insight, I have my opinion.

    Yeah...Im not into this car.

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    FAPTurbo
    On 4/4/2017 at 7:30 AM, Frisky Dingo said:

     

    That's good, because you'll have to rev it out to keep sight of the GTI gapping you in the next lane. :AH-HA:

    the only thing a GTI gaps is its owner's wallet...

    at least the honda has a comfy interior to haul stranded vee dub drivers to the nearest tow depot. 

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    Frisky Dingo
    On 4/6/2017 at 8:52 PM, FAPTurbo said:

    the only thing a GTI gaps is its owner's wallet...

    at least the honda has a comfy interior to haul stranded vee dub drivers to the nearest tow depot. 

    Lol, the MK7's interior shames anything with a Honda badge on it. I think you missed the boat on your reliability joke by about a decade, too. :AH-HA:

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    ykX
    16 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    Lol, the MK7's interior shames anything with a Honda badge on it. I think you missed the boat on your reliability joke by about a decade, too. :AH-HA:

    While this Si does nothing to me and I admit that GTI most likely will be a much better car, VW reliability still sucks.  My coworker just last year had to pay $3k to replace turbo on his Jetta, car had less then 100k miles.

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    3 hours ago, ykX said:

    While this Si does nothing to me and I admit that GTI most likely will be a much better car, VW reliability still sucks.  My coworker just last year had to pay $3k to replace turbo on his Jetta, car had less then 100k miles.

    So?? You know how many Ford EcoBoosts, Hyundai turbo-4's, and GM Ecotec's I've seen that need a new turbo?? Tons. You could literally say this about just about ANY brand that makes turbocharged engines.

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    @Frisky Dingo  You can argue as much as you want but there is a reason why VW put 6 years/72k miles warranty on their new crossovers.  Even Hyundai/Kia has smaller warranty now.  I doubt VW would do it if they had people's trust in their product.

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    ccap41
    3 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    Clarify?

    I would risk buying the German(known for iffy or at least very pricey repairs) made GTI over the Si(Hondas are known for their reliability - lol ).

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    Frisky Dingo
    5 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    I would risk buying the German(known for iffy or at least very pricey repairs) made GTI over the Si(Hondas are known for their reliability - lol ).

    Gotcha. Poor reliability from VW is such a worn-out cliche at this point. Their statistical reliability is at worst average for the industry these days.

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    28 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    Gotcha. Poor reliability from VW is such a worn-out cliche at this point. Their statistical reliability is at worst average for the industry these days.

    Even if it is average German parts cost more and its more difficult finding a place to work on them.

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    G. David Felt
    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    I would risk buying the German(known for iffy or at least very pricey repairs) made GTI over the Si(Hondas are known for their reliability - lol ).

     

    54 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    Gotcha. Poor reliability from VW is such a worn-out cliche at this point. Their statistical reliability is at worst average for the industry these days.

    JD Powers Listing interesting comparison of 2017 to 2016 list.

    2017

    17_vds_chart_1.jpg

    2016

    2016_vds_rank_1.jpg

     

    Top three models per segment (in order of fewest issues)

    Small car

    Chevrolet Sonic
    Nissan Versa

    Compact car

    Toyota Prius
    Buick Verano (tie)
    Honda Civic (tie)

    Compact Premium Car

    Lexus ES
    Mercedes-Benz C-Class
    Acura ILX

    Midsize Car

    Toyota Camry
    Chevrolet Malibu
    Hyundai Sonata

    Midsize Sporty Car

    Chevrolet Camaro
    Ford Mustang

    Midsize Premium Car

    Lexus GS
    Mercedes-Benz E-Class
    Audi A7

    Large Car

    Toyota Avalon
    Buick LaCrosse
    Kia Cadenza

    Small SUV

    Volkswagen Tiguan
    Buick Encore
    Hyundai Tucson

    Compact MPV

    Toyuta Prius V
    Kia Soul

    Compact SUV

    Toyota FJ Cruiser
    Chevrolet Equinox
    GMC Terrain

    Compact Premium SUV

    Mercedes-Benz GLK-Class
    Acura RDX
    Volvo XC60

    Midsize Pickup

    Honda Ridgeline
    Nissan Frontier

    Midsize SUV

    Toyota Venza
    Ford Edge (tie)
    Honda Pilot (tie)

    Midsize Premium SUV

    Lexus RX
    Lexus GX
    Porsche Cayenne

    Minivan

    Toyota Sienna
    Chrysler Town & Country
    Dodge Grand Caravan

    Large SUV

    Chevrolet Tahoe
    GMC Yukon

    Large Light Duty Pickup

    Ford F-150
    Toyota Tundra
    Chevrolet Silverado (tie)
    Ram 1500 (tie)

    Large Heavy Duty Pickup

    Chevrolet Silverado HD
    GMC Sierra HD
    Ford Super Duty

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