Jump to content
  • William Maley
    William Maley

    German Legislators Want To Ban Gas and Diesel Powered Vehicles By 2030

    Sign in to follow this  

      Germany's legislative body has put a countdown clock on gas and diesel vehicles

    Members of Germany's government have passed a resolution that could mean the end of gas and diesel vehicles. German newspaper Der Spiegel reports that the Germany's legislative body, the Bundesrat (represents all sixteen states in the country) passed a resolution to ban the sale of gas and diesel engines in 2030. After that, only zero-emission vehicles will be allowed to be built. 

    The resolution also calls on the European Union to follow in their footsteps. But the Bundesrat doesn't have any direct authority over the EU. However, Forbes points out that Germany has the largest government and most powerful economy in the EU. This means any legislation that goes through Germany will in turn influence the EU.

    In the resolution, the Bundesrat requests the EU to "review the current practices of taxation and dues with regard to a stimulation of emission-free mobility." Forbes notes this would include possibly scrapping the lower taxes a number of member states employ for diesel. Higher taxes would likely cause people to avoid diesel vehicles.

    SourceDer Spiegel, Forbes

    Sign in to follow this  


    User Feedback

    Recommended Comments

     

    Fools.  Someone(s) is clearly trying to get a leg-up in their political careers. I swear, politics will be the downfall of modern civilization.

     

    I won’t even bother to read the article, because a headline like that angers me.

    Banning ICE after they have become, so clean and will soon get cleaner yet, will mean literally squat in the global scenario.  And that must obviously include hybrids too.  Ban Diesel, perhaps, but not clean PZEV gas engines.  And what about motorsports and boats and……..So what’s left, EV and it’s many limitations?

    Pathetic.

    • Upvote 1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    1 hour ago, Wings4Life said:

     

     

    Fools.  Someone(s) is clearly trying to get a leg-up in their political careers. I swear, politics will be the downfall of modern civilization.

     

     

     

    I won’t even bother to read the article, because a headline like that angers me.

     

    Banning ICE after they have become, so clean and will soon get cleaner yet, will mean literally squat in the global scenario.  And that must obviously include hybrids too.  Ban Diesel, perhaps, but not clean PZEV gas engines.  And what about motorsports and boats and……..So what’s left, EV and it’s many limitations?

     

    Pathetic.

     

    I feel just the opposite.  Fossil fuels are inherently dirty and nasty, and Europe has a high population density.  This is infinitely rational.

    It would also be really nice if the Untied States would follow suit.  Allow older ICE cars to still roam, but everything sold from 2029 onward must be electric.

     

    Grandfathering in the older stuff would ensure no ones essential rights to drive their current car were violated, and it would also get us away from importing oil-a huge source of our trade deficit.

    Do not want this sent off to politics, but so very tired of personally supporting other countries every time I fill up.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    1 hour ago, Wings4Life said:

    Fools.  Someone(s) is clearly trying to get a leg-up in their political careers. I swear, politics will be the downfall of modern civilization.

    I won’t even bother to read the article, because a headline like that angers me.

    Banning ICE after they have become, so clean and will soon get cleaner yet, will mean literally squat in the global scenario.  And that must obviously include hybrids too.  Ban Diesel, perhaps, but not clean PZEV gas engines.  And what about motorsports and boats and……..So what’s left, EV and it’s many limitations?

    Pathetic.

    Whether you like it or not, fossil fuel auto's and trucks are coming to the end of their life. I covered the MB Semi's and that Japan has medium duty EV trucks. This is a perfect solution for city delivery, no noise, no pollution in the face of people walking the streets. It will not end immediately, but even if they stop building fossil fuel auto's and trucks in 2030. they will still have them on the road for a while.

    Yet the future is coming and change is going to happen.

     

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    As long as I can keep my gas-powered cars and still drive them freely, I honestly couldn't care less.

     

    That said, it won't happen.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    37 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Whether you like it or not, fossil fuel auto's and trucks are coming to the end of their life. I covered the MB Semi's and that Japan has medium duty EV trucks. This is a perfect solution for city delivery, no noise, no pollution in the face of people walking the streets. It will not end immediately, but even if they stop building fossil fuel auto's and trucks in 2030. they will still have them on the road for a while.

    Yet the future is coming and change is going to happen.

     

     

    Yeah, I recall hearing that we would run out of oil like 20 years ago too.

    And that we would all be in solar powered flying cars.

     

    Oil will be around for many generations after you and I.  Like, many, many generations.  This is extreme and radical thinking.

     

     

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    28 minutes ago, Wings4Life said:

    Yeah, I recall hearing that we would run out of oil like 20 years ago too.

    And that we would all be in solar powered flying cars.

    Oil will be around for many generations after you and I.  Like, many, many generations.  This is extreme and radical thinking.

    What is wrong with extreme and radical thinking? If it helps cool the planet and clean up the air, then why not change to a better way of transportation and help out the planet, help out those that have lung issues. Why not radically change to make things better?

    I was behind two semi's this morning and 4 school buses going off to pick up their kids. Amazing the amount of Diesel smell and pollution that was sent out when the light turned green.

    Why not remove this from the streets and have silent auto's that do not cause you to breath that toxic waste into your lungs?

    End result, is not all radical extreme thinking is bad, especially when it comes to the health of my fellow man and woman. Cleaner air for all.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    32 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    What is wrong with extreme and radical thinking? If it helps cool the planet and clean up the air, then why not change to a better way of transportation and help out the planet, help out those that have lung issues. Why not radically change to make things better?

    I was behind two semi's this morning and 4 school buses going off to pick up their kids. Amazing the amount of Diesel smell and pollution that was sent out when the light turned green.

    Why not remove this from the streets and have silent auto's that do not cause you to breath that toxic waste into your lungs?

    End result, is not all radical extreme thinking is bad, especially when it comes to the health of my fellow man and woman. Cleaner air for all.

    Cleaner air.  Sounds good.  That is not radical, at all.  The ways of going about it are and they also, more importantly, won’t work.

     

    I am also for curing or at least reducing the ill effects of the flu.  But not by cutting off someone’s head.

     

    You just complained of stinky Diesel, yet cheered their idea of killing gas ICE.  How about they offer gas for cheaper in Eu, so that people start buying more, instead of Diesel which is cheaper and far more harmful to health and air.  There is a simple start.  Air is quickly improved without tearing the heart out of the industry, which is what a radical move would do.  Then allow a slow migration into more hybrids and EV’s, rather than criminalize one or the other.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    1 minute ago, Wings4Life said:

    Cleaner air.  Sounds good.  That is not radical, at all.  The ways of going about it are and they also, more importantly, won’t work.

    I am also for curing or at least reducing the ill effects of the flu.  But not by cutting off someone’s head.

    You just complained of stinky Diesel, yet cheered their idea of killing gas ICE.  How about they offer gas for cheaper in Eu, so that people start buying more, instead of Diesel which is cheaper and far more harmful to health and air.  There is a simple start.  Air is quickly improved without tearing the heart out of the industry, which is what a radical move would do.  Then allow a slow migration into more hybrids and EV’s, rather than criminalize one or the other.

    Valid point well taken, cheaper Petro rather than diesel would do wonders. Also changing how they tax engine size would help too.

    Overall, I think they could come up with a much better tax solution than they currently have. But step in right direction would be to tax diesel higher and lower on petro.

    I understand your desire to move slowly as people choose to buy hybrids / ev's.

    • Upvote 2

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    2 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    As long as I can keep my gas-powered cars and still drive them freely, I honestly couldn't care less.

     

    That said, it won't happen.

    It may not happen all the way but chances are good for a significant transition.

     

    1 hour ago, dfelt said:

    What is wrong with extreme and radical thinking? If it helps cool the planet and clean up the air, then why not change to a better way of transportation and help out the planet, help out those that have lung issues. Why not radically change to make things better?

    I was behind two semi's this morning and 4 school buses going off to pick up their kids. Amazing the amount of Diesel smell and pollution that was sent out when the light turned green.

    Why not remove this from the streets and have silent auto's that do not cause you to breath that toxic waste into your lungs?

    End result, is not all radical extreme thinking is bad, especially when it comes to the health of my fellow man and woman. Cleaner air for all.

    Agree completely with this!

    • Upvote 1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    28 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Valid point well taken, cheaper Petro rather than diesel would do wonders. Also changing how they tax engine size would help too.

    Overall, I think they could come up with a much better tax solution than they currently have. But step in right direction would be to tax diesel higher and lower on petro.

    I understand your desire to move slowly as people choose to buy hybrids / ev's.

    Thanks dfelt, and I too understand your desire to fix global problems quickly.  But they have to be carefully thought out, and before we take giant steps that impact so many people and industry, costing them untold billions to adopt and certainly hardships along the way…..why evaluate and try simple ideas.  It’s not like we have not done plenty in the last 20 years alone.  Who knows where we will be in another 20,

    • Upvote 2

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    7 minutes ago, Wings4Life said:

    Thanks dfelt, and I too understand your desire to fix global problems quickly.  But they have to be carefully thought out, and before we take giant steps that impact so many people and industry, costing them untold billions to adopt and certainly hardships along the way…..why evaluate and try simple ideas.  It’s not like we have not done plenty in the last 20 years alone.  Who knows where we will be in another 20,

     

    And this is excellent, rational thinking. I wish I could up vote it ten times rather than just once. We need rational debate and thoughtful interaction.

     

    That being said, with Britain out of the EU and Germany as the most powerful member, i do wonder how much impact this will have on the other countries and on EU policy as a whole.

    • Upvote 2

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    As Germany goes, so will go the EU.  They have so much influence, they hold up the EU economy.  Sweden and Norway were looking at gas powered car sales bans around 2025, so other countries are on board.  I think 2025 is too soon, but 2030 is still 13+ years away, by then electric cars will be much more viable and affordable.  Eventually all cars will be EV, they are just pushing the envelop faster.

    The other thing to consider is they can say by 2030 they will ban gas cars, then in 2025, they can say we'll push it back to 2032 to give automakers more time, but you have to put that deadline out there, you can always push back, but you can't pull a deadline ahead.

     

    I am fine with an all EV car fleet, less pollution is great, less noise is great, less buying oil of all the corrupt governments and terrorists of the Middle East is great too.   It will be a big win all around when we all have EV cars.  The EV cars just have to be affordable, you have to have $20,000 EV cars for people.

    • Upvote 2

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    As Germany goes, so will go the EU.  They have so much influence, they hold up the EU economy.  Sweden and Norway were looking at gas powered car sales bans around 2025, so other countries are on board.  I think 2025 is too soon, but 2030 is still 13+ years away, by then electric cars will be much more viable and affordable.  Eventually all cars will be EV, they are just pushing the envelop faster.

    The other thing to consider is they can say by 2030 they will ban gas cars, then in 2025, they can say we'll push it back to 2032 to give automakers more time, but you have to put that deadline out there, you can always push back, but you can't pull a deadline ahead.

     

    I am fine with an all EV car fleet, less pollution is great, less noise is great, less buying oil of all the corrupt governments and terrorists of the Middle East is great too.   It will be a big win all around when we all have EV cars.  The EV cars just have to be affordable, you have to have $20,000 EV cars for people.

    Agreed!

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    automakers are currently working on 2020 and beyond. So basically, they would have less than 10 years to prepare.  It's ridiculous to push it so fast.  Nothing will change in 10 years. Nothing will likely change in 100 and I would bet, if possible, very little in 500.  So again, why 10 years.  That is just economic suicide, for absolutely nothing.

    • Downvote 1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    The Issue is battery technology, Lithium is not a renewable resource nor is it environmentally friendly to mine. The batteries themselves degrade over time and need replacement after 5 yrs. I know 13 years is a long time but long strides need to be made if we want to sustain our current standard expectations from our vehicles.

     

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    2 hours ago, Cremazie said:

    The Issue is battery technology, Lithium is not a renewable resource nor is it environmentally friendly to mine. The batteries themselves degrade over time and need replacement after 5 yrs. I know 13 years is a long time but long strides need to be made if we want to sustain our current standard expectations from our vehicles.

     

    We will continue to make progress.

    • Upvote 1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites


    Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
    Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

    Guest
    Add a comment...

    ×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

      Only 75 emoji are allowed.

    ×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

    ×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

    ×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




  • Similar Content

    • By Drew Dowdell
      The EPA has officially released its assessment of the 2020 Jeep Wrangler EcoDiesel. The EcoDiesel is only available as a 4-door with an 8-speed automatic and in that configuration, the EcoDiesel manages to get 29 mpg highway, 22 mpg city, and 25 combined. That is slightly better than a 4x4 Ram 1500 with the same powertrain. The next closest model in terms of fuel efficiency is the 2-door, 4-cylinder, manual transmission, rear-wheel drive Wrangler at 24 highway mpg, 22 city mpg, and 23 combined. 
      The diesel engine is a $4,000 option though so you may not ultimately save money. Instead, Jeep believes the EcoDiesel option is best suited for those who need the gobs of torque generated by the V6 diesel when going off-road. With 260 horsepower and 442 lb.-ft of torque, the Wrangler EcoDiesel has torque in spades. To the dismay of many, the Ecodiesel does come standard with electronic stop/start.
      If diesel isn't your thing, there is the 2.0T 4-cylinder which produces 270 horsepower and 295 lb.-ft of torque or the 3.6-liter Pentastar V6 which produces 285 horsepower and 260 lb.-ft of torque.  Both engines also come with stop/start or can be upgraded to the eTorque system that smooths out the torque band and either engine is available with a manual transmission or 8-speed automatic.
       

      View full article
    • By Drew Dowdell
      The EPA has officially released its assessment of the 2020 Jeep Wrangler EcoDiesel. The EcoDiesel is only available as a 4-door with an 8-speed automatic and in that configuration, the EcoDiesel manages to get 29 mpg highway, 22 mpg city, and 25 combined. That is slightly better than a 4x4 Ram 1500 with the same powertrain. The next closest model in terms of fuel efficiency is the 2-door, 4-cylinder, manual transmission, rear-wheel drive Wrangler at 24 highway mpg, 22 city mpg, and 23 combined. 
      The diesel engine is a $4,000 option though so you may not ultimately save money. Instead, Jeep believes the EcoDiesel option is best suited for those who need the gobs of torque generated by the V6 diesel when going off-road. With 260 horsepower and 442 lb.-ft of torque, the Wrangler EcoDiesel has torque in spades. To the dismay of many, the Ecodiesel does come standard with electronic stop/start.
      If diesel isn't your thing, there is the 2.0T 4-cylinder which produces 270 horsepower and 295 lb.-ft of torque or the 3.6-liter Pentastar V6 which produces 285 horsepower and 260 lb.-ft of torque.  Both engines also come with stop/start or can be upgraded to the eTorque system that smooths out the torque band and either engine is available with a manual transmission or 8-speed automatic.
       
    • By Drew Dowdell
      As we reported last month, Jeep is adding a diesel to the Wrangler lineup.  The 3.0-liter diesel will produce 260 horsepower and 442 lb-ft of torque and be paired only with the 8-speed automatic. Electronic Start-Stop is also standard issue. 
      As for how much it is going to cost, be prepared to shell out up to an additional $6,000 over the base model.  It breaks down like this:  $4,000 for the diesel engine + $2,000 for the automatic transmission.  All in all, it ends up being a $3,250 upgrade over a Wrangler with a Pentastar V6 and 8-speed automatic.   The diesel will only be offered in 4-door trims of Sport, Sahara, and Rubicon.  In the RAM 1500 with the same powertrain, highway fuel economy is rated for 30mpg. Expect the lighter but less aerodynamic Wrangler to match that once EPA numbers are finalized.
      Diesel Wranglers start down the production line in late November, but the order books are already open if you want to head down to the dealer and put your order in. 

      View full article
    • By Drew Dowdell
      As we reported last month, Jeep is adding a diesel to the Wrangler lineup.  The 3.0-liter diesel will produce 260 horsepower and 442 lb-ft of torque and be paired only with the 8-speed automatic. Electronic Start-Stop is also standard issue. 
      As for how much it is going to cost, be prepared to shell out up to an additional $6,000 over the base model.  It breaks down like this:  $4,000 for the diesel engine + $2,000 for the automatic transmission.  All in all, it ends up being a $3,250 upgrade over a Wrangler with a Pentastar V6 and 8-speed automatic.   The diesel will only be offered in 4-door trims of Sport, Sahara, and Rubicon.  In the RAM 1500 with the same powertrain, highway fuel economy is rated for 30mpg. Expect the lighter but less aerodynamic Wrangler to match that once EPA numbers are finalized.
      Diesel Wranglers start down the production line in late November, but the order books are already open if you want to head down to the dealer and put your order in. 
    • By Drew Dowdell
      Jeep is finally offering the 3.0-Liter EcoDiesel from the Ram 1500 in the Jeep Wrangler as a late availability option for 2020.  For the Wrangler, the engine will produce 260 horsepower and 442 lb-ft of torque. The diesel will be offered on Sport, Sahara, and Rubicon editions, and only on 4 door models. The only transmission available to pair with the diesel is the 8-speed automatic. Electronic Start-Stop (ESS) is standard on the diesel and all other engine options. 
      Other changes for the Wrangler include the addition of the mild-hybrid 48 volt eTorque system to either the 2.0-liter 4-cylinder turbo or the 3.6-liter Pentastar V6. The eTorque system takes the place of ESS and also smooths out the torque band. The 3.6 Pentastar produces 285 horsepower and 260 lb-ft of torque while the 2.0T produces 270 horsepower and 295 lb-ft of torque. These numbers hold true with or without the eTorque system. Only the Sahara trim gets eTorque.
      Two special editions take their place in the Wrangler lineup. The Willys edition is aimed at the off-road enthusiast. As far as hardware, it comes with a limited-slip differential, Rubicon rock rails and shots, heavy duty brakes, two-speed transfer case, and big 32-inch all-terrain tires. Visually, it gets 17-inch wheels with grey accents, all-weather floor mats, LED headlights and foglights, and a gloss black grille, along with the Willys badging.  The Willys edition can come either in a 2-door for $35,235 or the 4-door for $38,735.
      A second special editions is primarily cosmetic. Called the Black & Tan edition (pictured above), it is mainly a retro looking that gets a tan soft-top, 17-inch Machine Granite wheels, tan cloths seats, side steps, and more.  The Black & Tan edition is available on both 2-door and 4-door models. 

      View full article
  • Posts

    • I sat in G70 at auto show last year and couldn't believe how small the rear seat is.  Otherwise it looked inside and outside really nice.  However, rear seat would be a deal breaker for me if I was looking for a sporty sedan. It terms of driving feel, where do you think it stands vs the competition?
    • if it's larger, it weighs more. It HAS to weigh more. You know the struggles of high performance with additional weight.  All three hyper cars I posted are hybrids, if you didn't know.
    • Wow, Forgot his balls never dropped.
    • Choice that is what you have and I have one Requirement that you probably never have to deal with as the US average woman height is 5'6" and average man is 5'8" currently. As everyone knows, I am 6'6", my oldest sister is 6'2" average height across both sides of the family is 6'.  As such setting the front drivers seat for my comfort and then getting out and getting in behind set drivers seat. If I cannot fit, then pretty much the whole family will not. As such, all auto's have to pass the seat test and here the Asian auto's FAIL. You can say cut the Bullshit, but the fact is most people are lazy about taking care of their auto's. I will not waste my time as most people that are big into the auto scene know that most auto buyers ignore cracking their owner manual or even looking at the owners maintenance schedule. Asian auto's did move to 100,000 mile tune ups way before America did and so pretty much, oil change, tires, brakes was it compared to American auto's that required much more to be done. Like I said nothing is perfect, but I have never scene people have bad experiences when they take care of a product to OEM requirements. That is where most humans fail at. Agree to disagree, but that is the difference I see every time I hear about people bitching about one brand or another.
    • Is the drivers seat as cramped as it looks in the pictures? How good is the interface to the manual controls? Does it have voice control?
  • Social Stream

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. Turbojett
      Turbojett
      (39 years old)
  • Who's Online (See full list)

  • My Clubs

About us

CheersandGears.com - Founded 2001

We ♥ Cars

Get in touch

Follow us

Recent tweets

facebook

×
×
  • Create New...