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    Mercedes-Benz USA CEO: We're Undecided on Diesel for U.S.

      Mercedes USA's CEO admits the future of diesel vehicles in the U.S. is unknown

    Mercedes-Benz is still waiting on the EPA to give the ok for them sell 2017 model year diesel vehicles. This is causing them to rethink their diesel strategy in the U.S.

    Speaking with reporters at the New York Auto Show this week, Mercedes-Benz USA CEO Dietmar Exler said engineers are still in talks with the EPA over their diesel vehicles. Exler admitted that he isn't aware of the current status of those talks. When asked about the future of diesel sales for the U.S., Exler said,

    "No decision made one way or the other."

    Before the EPA put all 2017 model year diesel vehicles under an intense review process, only 2 to 3 percent of Mercedes' total U.S. sales were made up of diesels.

    It should be noted that Mercedes-Benz has also canned plans on bringing over diesel version of the C-Class sedan last year.

    Exler said the focus going forward would be electric vehicles, with 10 new EVs being launch by 2025.

    Source: Reuters

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    Diesel isn't worth it for 3% of sales, especially when electric is the future.   Might as well just invest in the future, work on the 48 volt system and new inline engines and hybrids.

    With Tesla's system being an 84V to 265V system depending on the charger used to recharge the auto. One has to wonder why only 48 volt system for MB especially when Porsche is going with an 800V system in the Mission E?

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    6 hours ago, dfelt said:

    With Tesla's system being an 84V to 265V system depending on the charger used to recharge the auto. One has to wonder why only 48 volt system for MB especially when Porsche is going with an 800V system in the Mission E?

    Because 48 volt is for gas engines, replacing the 12 volt system that ever other car has.

    And they have other plans for Tesla.

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    5 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Because 48 volt is for gas engines, replacing the 12 volt system that ever other car has.

    And they have other plans for Tesla.

    So you are saying MB is going to move all ICE to 48 volt systems too?

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    1 hour ago, dfelt said:

    So you are saying MB is going to move all ICE to 48 volt systems too?

    Yes, inline 4, inline 6, V8 gas, and inline 4 diesel which looks like it won't make it here.  Four engines, all with 48 volt system.  Which will clean up the number of engine offerings and get fuel economy up about 15% across the board.

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    a friend recently bought a titan diesel and took it back the next day.

    some of these states like mine mandating certain percent of biodiesel (i.e. government mandated spiked fuel).  Friend's Titan specfically mentioned warranty is void if too great percent of biodiesel.  Some of these other Euro diesels have limits as well.  My guess is with the stupidity of select states creating warranty hazards for potential new buyers, why would you even try to bring any more over on expensive rigs like this.>?

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    12 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Yes, inline 4, inline 6, V8 gas, and inline 4 diesel which looks like it won't make it here.  Four engines, all with 48 volt system.  Which will clean up the number of engine offerings and get fuel economy up about 15% across the board.

    I really have to question the sound decision on this. They might as well just keep improving their ICE line as is and build their EV line on a far superior electrical system.

    Having slept on this, from an engineering standpoint I get it that they would have a single electrical harness for the auto. Yet this also means they are going to spend a fortune on R&D to do this, they will also now have issues with mechanics who mix up the existing 12v line with their newer 48v line and I can see all kinds of mistakes being made by the mechanics.

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    Every car maker will go to 48 volt eventually because they will need the gains to hit CAFE.  They will have to do it to get over that 50 mpg number, gas engines alone will never do it and the EV take rate is too slow to pull the average up fast enough.

    Mercedes spends over $1 million per hour on R&D.  It is costing a fortune but if they are ahead of the game in 2020 it will pay off.

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    3 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Every car maker will go to 48 volt eventually because they will need the gains to hit CAFE.  They will have to do it to get over that 50 mpg number, gas engines alone will never do it and the EV take rate is too slow to pull the average up fast enough.

    Mercedes spends over $1 million per hour on R&D.  It is costing a fortune but if they are ahead of the game in 2020 it will pay off.

    So you're saying they will be Hybrids then based on what I am reading. That makes sense, but then we have seen plenty of 12v Hybrids that are over 50 mpg.

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    Basically all of Mercedes gas cars will be light hybrids with a 15 or 20 hp electric motor and no more alternator or tradional starter motor.  I am not sure how it is all going to work but the 2018 S-class is supposed to be the first car with it.

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    20 hours ago, balthazar said:

    If MB would really devote themselves to a singular engine vision, they could bring out an I8- it would be as smooth as an EV.

    Not sure that would fit under the hood of an E-class or AMG GT.

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    • My friend who will be my riding bud has an older Ducati Streetfighter... he likes it but he complains that getting anything done to it is expensive.  I'm sure I'm going to be in the same boat with a BMW, but at least being aircooled, shaft drive, boxer the amount of maintenance it will need is lower.  Of your list, I like the Triumph the best, but the Yamaha would probably be lowest cost of ownership.  I looked at the Yamaha XSR900 very early on in my search (years ago) because it reminded me of my dual-sport I had in my teens, but it was uncomfortably too tall for me. 
    • Prices going up. Economy not fully recovered. Supply shortages. Money printer going brrrr... I think of the following words. Stagflation... And  A word that starts with 'C' and ends with 'm'. In Canada - (no incentives for people to work below a certain income level, reducing productivity and making costs go up). Oops I might be derailing thread. Please no one entertain the kind of word I was thinking. Yeah lumber prices are bad. I heard Canada (where I live) might be limiting exports due to the cancellations of keystone too. Not sure if true or not. As for Tesla cars. I don't think any car maker could sell those cheap Wuling things yet in NA. I don't see the price points ever going lower, maybe some more features for the money down the line. And Tesla is about to be inundated with competition. I think their position is not nearly as strong as when the Model Y came out. Paper tiger maybe.
    • Supply down + Demand Up = higher prices.... not that hard. Prices for nearly everything are going up. It has nothing to do with BEVs.  It has to do with everything from lumber to microchips being in short supply. Also... prices for used and new gasoline powered vehicles is going up too, so at worst, BEVs are just keeping pace with the industry as a whole. Furthermore, no one gave a date as to when the cost of BEVs would dip below ICEs, so calling that misinformation is substantially premature.  The big, experienced manufacturers like GM and MB have been awoken like a sleeping dragon and the new BEV platforms coming from them are going to be serious entries, not just an electric motor thrown in one of their gasser models with a bunch of laptop batteries in the trunk. As of about 3 years ago, they all started taking BEVs seriously. There will be economies of scale as the cells of a Silverado don't need to be any different in composition than the cells in a Bolt... the only difference will be quantity.  GM will no longer need to build 197 different powertrain combinations, it will be reduced to 10 (if memory serves, it's somewhere in that ballpark of a delta in powertrains). There will no longer be a need for complex 10-speed transmissions. No AWD systems. No exhaust systems. There won't be complex electro-mechanical systems to turn cylinders on and off while driving. There won't be turbo-chargers. There won't be those electronic shutters that close a grille at speed. All of that stuff listed that needs to be engineered and re-engineered every 5 - 7 years will go away. None of that is in place today and no one claimed it would be in place by today, but you have the combined industrial might of GM, Ford, BMW, Mercedes, VW, Hyundai, Telsa, Panasonic, Samsung, LG, and others working on it.
    • On a side note, all of my closest friends recently bought bikes either this year or last year and it REALLY has given me the itch. I just don't have a garage for one yet and couldn't justify spending the money when we have a home to finish and garage to build.. Two of them have some Harley of sorts and two of them have Indians, none of them are my style or anywhere near what I would want to ride. I'm a HUGE fan of the naked sporty bikes.  Something like a Monster 796,  Triumph Street Triple 675, Yamaha MT-09, would be perfect for me
    • ^ Not sure it's that specific; on the Silverado/Sierra, the active safety features package is optional, and costs $890. I do think electronics in general are responsible for most of the recent price escalations. I can easily see calling claims of 'BE's are going to cost the same or less than ICs' as "misinformation".   
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