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More Holden Shots In America

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I'm glad the Zeta platform is coming but with falling sales of large sedans and SUVs due to the high gas-prices hype, will these cars be too late to the party.
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I know I've seen this car before but I don't know where

Looks like a lot like this, doesn't it?

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God all this back and forth speculation and rumors are driving me nuts. I want my 5th gen. Camaro. *has temper tantrum on floor*
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That shot of the wagon looks a lot like the new 9-5 to me. All the rest kinda resemble a Torana that had a baby with a Volvo, who was cheating on it with a GTO.
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That Station Wagon photograph reveals a far bigger story than anybody has realized. The information is in plain view and nobody has picked up on it yet.

Look at this section of the photograph of the Wagon from the VWvortex Forums:

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Now look at this image of the same section of the current VZ Commodore Wagon that I cropped out of an image I just downloaded from the Holden web site:

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What's in a different location?

The big question is "why is it in a different location?".

For the answer, think back to the really major change that Holden made to the Monaro to turn it into the GTO.
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Fuel tank location making it acceptable for the US market without murdering the cargo space?
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Fuel tank location making it acceptable for the US market without murdering the cargo space?

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Bingo. The fuel filler is shifted, so the tank probably has been relocated to meet US regulations.

I'll bet that a photograph of the right rear flank of the sedans would have also revealed a shifted gas filler.

They are either development mules testing out some of the next generation Holden engineering ... or they're planning an imminent US release of the Holden Wagon and possibly the Sedan as well. There is no other reason for relocating the filler unless the tank has also been moved to meet US regulations.
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I was thinking they were testing them here so that they could release them sometime in the near future for a brand such as Pontiac (i.e. what they did with Saturn and Opel, but for Pontiac and Holden). But I didn't want to jump the gun.
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Zeta is supposed to be a modified version of the Sigma platform (to make it cheaper allegedly) and as I live a ocean away from the closest Caddy dealer, can anyone tell me where the gas tank is located in a Caddy CTS? In front of the rear axle line? If so this may give a clue about the location of the fuel filler in the VZ/VE mule.
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Photo enhancement of the 3 shots of the Sedans appears to indicate that there are both left and right side exhaust outlets (as per the 2005 GTO). An outlet on the right is not possible with a standard Commodore gas tank.

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As long as they don't put the tank in the boot as per GTO cause it really stuffed up the boot space and customers here did not find that too appealing. Hopefully they will finally get rid of the internal boot hinges in the move to VE as well!
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I wouldn't want to make a guess but I do agree that with a moved fuel filler door, it would make it complaint to US regulations, which could very well mean that they are development mules for some form of Holden move to the US, either with new product for Pontiac (although the wagon might be a bad idea), or with a little bit of new product for everyone.
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wow, zeta has sigma components as well as components (firewall, etc) from the VE cars. very interesting.....is it time for an insider to chime in? can we possibly see a replacement for the GP or a Buick RWD sedan in time for the 2007 model year? Or this could be testing for the next Zeta....
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I hope this means something :), other than that we are reading to much into it of course :( . Of course, there are still those rumors about a RWD Chevrolet sedan coming and that there will be a wagon variant (BelAir and Nomad or Caprice / Caprice Wagon) floating around, and that would be awsome. David
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The rear shot from the link in the original post shows a current VZ Commodore with flared guards indicating a wider track. Along with this, the relocated fuel filler suggest that these are VE mules, as previously stated. The VE is designed with the fuel tank forward of the rear axle which makes it compliant with US regulations as stock. It doesn't mean that VE is intended for US release, however, as this may have just been a product of the original 'Zeta' plan prior to cancellation (or delay, or whatever it is).
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I agree. The more I look at those photographs on the VWVortex site, the more convinced I am that they are Commodore VE engineering mules wearing modified VZ bodywork, and not reworked VZ models for the US market.
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What is the likelihood the wagon could be a new Holden Adventra LX8, to be shared with Buick as an AWD Roadmaster or Invicta? Neither Pontiac nor GMC should have a wagon; Buick would seem ideal. Edited by wildcat
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An outlet on the right is not possible with a standard Commodore gas tank.



Wow.. now we know why americans call australians stupid.. of course its possible to have an outlet on the Righ hand side.. its just alot of screwing around to get it done.. but it is definately possible! 110% sure on that..
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