Deds

what do you think about europen cars?

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i just wanted to know the american opinion about french cars, spanish cars, italian cars, because those are the cars that doesnt exists in USA

i think that the french Renault, Peugeot and the spanish Seat are the best, in design

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Personally i think they are overpriced and underpowered.

But as a city runabout they are pretty good. I could never use one for anything but a go to work and back car.

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The French have cars? :smilewide: Oh and welcome to C&G Deds!

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Honest answer?

None of those pictured would get a glance from me.

Now an M5...

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I prefer Opel und BMW! However I'm more German than American! I'm what you call a Hybrid! :P

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Seats aren't bad although I'm certain there is no room for them in the states. The Renault Avantime is one of my favorite quirky designs of all time.

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Whenever I'm in Europe I find myself fascinated by the cars.

There's a certain quirkiness about European subcompacts, a garish sense of design that our small cars lack. There's always been a certain flair about them that I can't help but find charming, and I never did until I experienced them firsthand while staying in Europe.

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Since I'm a fan of the larger cars, not much European really grabs me aside from higher-end makes that most people like anyway (Alfa-Romeo, Maserati), but I do have a penchent for 'executive' Citroens and Peugoets.

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Does Alfa Romeo count? :P

Otherwise, they certainly have some intriguing vehicles. I always like Peugoets, as well, but I generally like vehicles from the brands that we do get, like BMW, Saab, VW, etc... as well european vehicles offered by non-european brands.

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well in 2009/2010 alfa romeo will be sold in united states again, with the alfa brera, 159, spyder and GT.. well yes they are underpowered but here gas is very expensive not 1 dollar per galon, here is moreless 5 dollar per gallon.. so huge cars, huge consumption.. here diesel are the new trend lool vokswagen is ruling the diesel engines in europe with the 2.0 TDI 140hp, is the worse engine ever, and is in audi, dodge caliber, jeep compass, chrysler sebring, skoda, seat, and others.. is giving many problems with electronic and turbo... my mother's car is a volkswagen touran 2.0tdi and is having many many problems, but buying a gasoline car is the worse choice ever because here 1L ( is 0.2 galons) is 1.56 euros... moreless 2 dollars or more.. veryyy expensive

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here some pics of the first portuguese car brand, vinci, with the vinci GT is a super car with more then 300hp well this is a dummy car but the original will cost 300.000dollars and will only be made 1000... its a start for a portuguese car brand... lool

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I think personally the closest I will get in buying a car with a French name is a Chevrolet.

In my opinion French cars are not my cup of tea. They may be good, but I think they are emotionless and ugly. I do not know too much about Seat, so I cannot comment on it any. Italian cars, well other than Maserati, Lambo, and Ferrari, I do not think I like any other. Although there are some Alfas, I may be interested.

Just like P-C-S, for me German Cars are the European cars I will buy, if GM did not exist.

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Motorsport BMWs, hardtop Mercedes Benzes & rear engined Porsches are cool stuff.

Peugeots, Renaults & Fiats? Pretty much my only reaction is: :puke:

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I think personally the closest I will get in buying a car with a French name is a Chevrolet.

Louis Chevrolet was Swiss not French.

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Louis Chevrolet was Swiss not French.

Yes, but the origin of the name is French.

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I just wanted to clarify for the peanut gallery. :AH-HA_wink:

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I just wanted to clarify for the peanut gallery. :AH-HA_wink:

Was it clarified thoroughly? :AH-HA_wink:

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Motorsport BMWs, hardtop Mercedes Benzes & rear engined Porsches are cool stuff.

Peugeots, Renaults & Fiats? Pretty much my only reaction is: :puke:

well if you have money for those good for you xD peugeots renaults and fiats are cheap cars...

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another thing the most comfortable cars in europe are french.. this is my opinion, but americans think that everythink that come from the old country is luxury, like clothes and all that stuff, french cars should get the same opinion lool that is why PSA (peugeot, citroen) and renault dont invest in USA lmao :P

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with this conversation im not saying that i dont like american cars, because i love them, chrysler and chevrolet, but the cars that are sold here suck... just go to www.chevrolet.uk and you will see the chevroltets that we have here... just to exceptions, to chevrolet captiva and epica, those are cool

look at this intirior :thumbsup: reanult velsatis, citroen c6, peugeot 607

is there any american car that have a sensor that tells you that your getting out of your driving way? head up display? auto brake? inteligent lighting sistem? auto parking? and this arent extras are included in the equipment..

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Deds,

1. The concept of small cars in USA is different than across the Atlantic Ocean. In Europe, only size is the difference between a smaller car and larger car. Otherwise people expect and pay for the same utilities and amenities found in a larger car. In US, small cars are cheap and basic transportations. Although the thoughts and people's buying habits are changing, we are still a long way to go to adapt to small, "luxurious" cars as you are referring to and that is the reason why Peugeot and Citroen will not be able to make a case of selling their small vehicles here. If you look at the statistics, apart from Mini, no other small luxurious car is doing well here, not even an Audi A3. That is why MB abandoned A and B classes and BMW is taking a long to put the 1-series in market here.

2. Regarding the Chevy sucking in Europe, may be you should demand more from GM :AH-HA_wink: . Chevy is basically taking over where Daewoo left. Personally I do not like that idea, but GM execs see Chevy as an entry level brand and thus are pursuing its cars from Korea. I think they should sell the RWD Camaros and Impalas (when it becomes available) and even Malibus in small numbers in Europe. May be brutes like Silverado in limited quantities and diesel won't hurt.

3. The interiors of Renault, Peugeot and Citroen may be working and even efficient, but they are :puke: .

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with this conversation im not saying that i dont like american cars, because i love them, chrysler and chevrolet, but the cars that are sold here suck... just go to www.chevrolet.uk and you will see the chevroltets that we have here... just to exceptions, to chevrolet captiva and epica, those are cool

look at this intirior :thumbsup: reanult velsatis, citroen c6, peugeot 607

is there any american car that have a sensor that tells you that your getting out of your driving way? head up display? auto brake? inteligent lighting sistem? auto parking? and this arent extras are included in the equipment..

For those that want to look at Chevy in the UK the address is http://chevrolet.co.uk , they are just rebadged GMDAT's (Daewoo's), nothing special.

Odd that Chevy is selling the Captiva and Vauxhall is selling the Antara in the same market.

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vx/carsandvans/b...randName=antara

http://www.chevrolet.co.uk/captiva/

Here is my version of the Opel Antara that I love!

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Deds,

1. The concept of small cars in USA is different than across the Atlantic Ocean. In Europe, only size is the difference between a smaller car and larger car. Otherwise people expect and pay for the same utilities and amenities found in a larger car. In US, small cars are cheap and basic transportations. Although the thoughts and people's buying habits are changing, we are still a long way to go to adapt to small, "luxurious" cars as you are referring to and that is the reason why Peugeot and Citroen will not be able to make a case of selling their small vehicles here. If you look at the statistics, apart from Mini, no other small luxurious car is doing well here, not even an Audi A3. That is why MB abandoned A and B classes and BMW is taking a long to put the 1-series in market here.

2. Regarding the Chevy sucking in Europe, may be you should demand more from GM :AH-HA_wink: . Chevy is basically taking over where Daewoo left. Personally I do not like that idea, but GM execs see Chevy as an entry level brand and thus are pursuing its cars from Korea. I think they should sell the RWD Camaros and Impalas (when it becomes available) and even Malibus in small numbers in Europe. May be brutes like Silverado in limited quantities and diesel won't hurt.

3. The interiors of Renault, Peugeot and Citroen may be working and even efficient, but they are :puke: .

well smart is starting to sell the fortwo in us market...

and you're just right, some impalas and malibus should be sould in europe but only with diesel engines, they sould use the 2.0vcdi and im shore that would give a chance to amercan models in europe, the trail blazer and silverado are only sold in some markets.. infiniti should be sold in europe also, and they are thinking of that, but without diesel engines they wont go far... lexus is starting to improve their sails with the is220 diesel, they put a 2.2 D-cat from toyota in a lexus, now they are seling much more..

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just another thing, why are americans criticizing the ideia of volkswagen starting to sell the 1.9TDI there? they sold some jettas but now if you go to http://www.vw.com , you wont find a tdi in jetta either in passat.. was volkswagen making experiences? saab is seling their 1.9 TiD also... they are seeing what americans say about that.. the incovinient of tdis are the noise, and the smoke... but if you see a mercedes ML 320 cdi or a cls 320 cdi those are very silenced engines.. here we have special diesel to reduce the smoke lool :duh:

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