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HSV. You know what it stands for. Not just Holden Special Vehicles, but what it truly stands for, the stance behind the badge. Bravado is one. Value for money is another. Most importantly, it’s muscle. True Australian outback beef squeezed into a box on four wheels. In keeping with this macho image, HSV has finally put out the MY2008 W427 into dealerships, a lesson in what engineering steroids can do to a sweet, Ausie rules-loving bloke.

With that said, we can now cut through the grass and hit some serious manure. The W427 features 7.0-litres of muscle broth sourced from US sister brand Corvette, which allows for power to escape through the rear wheels in doses of 375kW at a time, depending on the engine speed of course. The limited slip diff ensures very little smoke is added to the show during enthusiastic (what other kind is there?) takeoff, from one green traffic light to the next. The high-strength 6-speed manual gearbox plays the starring role in all this, planting maximum torque of 640Nm.

Manic as it sounds, the W427 – of which only 427 will be made – is a serious dad’s car, funked up with all kinds of comfort sweet things to make the missus smile while scaring the kids at the back all the way to the village of Tyre Shred. A 6-CD/ MP3 player is in there, so is an overhead DVD unit for them little ones to help stop them shaking in their little boots. Bluetooth is optional, as is satellite navigation. The list is long and impressive. If you are lucky enough to live close to Australia and aren’t owning one of the 90 cars already allocated for 2008 at AD155,500 then get right on it. We expect quick sales.

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Source: Holden

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080724.002/ho...ly-goes-on-sale

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Someone you know and love, has this car as his company car in Europe. It's red too. :smilewide:

Feel free to post some pictures of it.

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Feel free to post some pictures of it.

There are two prototypes in Europe with the LS7 engine. One in Switzerland, the other in the UK. They are both badged as HSV's and they are both red. Here is the one closer to your heart for obvious reasons.

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There are two prototypes in Europe with the LS7 engine. One in Switzerland, the other in the UK. They are both badged as HSV's and they are both red. Here is the one closer to your heart for obvious reasons.

hsvw427uk2oc5.jpg

I was asking to see the picture of your company motor. The car pictured isn't a W427, either - it's a regular UK-specification VXR8 taken at a Vauxhall dealership. The bloke who took the pictures has several photos of it on Flickr. This particular model has the regular UK plate removed and a smaller version installed to fit the bumper moulding which was designed to house regular front NSW plates. It's also been debadged - Vauxhall dealers will even do that for you and some will retrofit Holden badges bought from ebay for a small charge. I know several VW dealers in Ohio who offer the same kind of service.

It was reported back in in April that Vauxhall were going to sell the W427 from September, and I've heard nothing since to the contrary. Here's my post:

http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...showtopic=23461

I've since heard that Tickford could possibly be tweaking the Vauxhall version (the original press reports simply stated a "motorsport expert" would be contracted in to do the work).

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I was asking to see the picture of your company motor. I don't really care to see a picture of a regular HSV at a Vauxhall dealership! The car pictured isn't a W427, either.

It was reported back in in April that Vauxhall were going to sell the W427 from September, and I've heard nothing since to the contrary. Here's my post:

http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...showtopic=23461

I've since heard that Tickford could possibly be tweaking the Vauxhall version (the original press reports simply stated a "motorsport expert" would be contracted in to do the work).

You say you've been involved in the auto business for a number of years and don't know the meaning of prototype? Or why things are disguised? The engine inside the car is a LS7, which is the engine that ended up in what you refer to as the regular production model W427 from HSV. As I said there are two of these in the EU they have been there since late winter of last year.

You did notice that it's has HSV badging and not Vauxhall, so there's hope for you, why do you suppose there is an HSV in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? You don't have to answer, I know you are only a bean counter after all.

Only person that will see my car will be Camino, when I bring it to the US, since we talk on the phone from time to time, you on the other hand I don't know from Adam, and I'd like to keep it that way. :rolleyes:

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You say you've been involved in the auto business for a number of years and don't know the meaning of prototype? Or why things are disguised? The engine inside the car is a LS7, which is the engine that ended up in what you refer to as the regular production model W427 from HSV. As I said there are two of these in the EU they have been there since late winter of last year.

You did notice that it's has HSV badging and not Vauxhall, so there's hope for you, why do you suppose there is an HSV in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? You don't have to answer, I know you are only a bean counter after all.

It isn't a prototype anything. For starters, a prototype wouldn't be stuck outside of a Vauxhall dealership in north London. Secondly, Australian-specification models do not have UK/European lighting specifications which this particular model has. But thirdly, this vehicle also has a regular private-issue RFL disc - and that's the immediate giveaway. Like I said, the car has been completely debadged to make it appear to be a Holden - some Vauxhall dealerships do offer this service to customers. I've seen a number of VXR8's with Holden badging - it's an easy swap. Indeed, a friend of mine did the same with his Vauxhall Monaro, even though he knows the most eagle-eyed will still recognise its European-specification details. While in Ohio I knew several VW dealerships who, for a fee, would obtain Bora badges via ebay for your prized new third-gen Jetta.

Prior to the Monaro, HSV used to sell vehicles in the UK in very limited numbers for a short period of time, as a result of Scot Mr Walkinshaw's involvement. They're a rare sight, but not devoid of presence here.

You must think I fell off a bloody Christmas tree, mate.

Only person that will see my car will be Camino, when I bring it to the US, since we talk on the phone from time to time, you on the other hand I don't know from Adam, and I'd like to keep it that way. :rolleyes:

Here's me thinking you would put your money where your mouth is.

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You say you've been involved in the auto business for a number of years and don't know the meaning of prototype? Or why things are disguised? The engine inside the car is a LS7, which is the engine that ended up in what you refer to as the regular production model W427 from HSV. As I said there are two of these in the EU they have been there since late winter of last year.

You did notice that it's has HSV badging and not Vauxhall, so there's hope for you, why do you suppose there is an HSV in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? You don't have to answer, I know you are only a bean counter after all.

Only person that will see my car will be Camino, when I bring it to the US, since we talk on the phone from time to time, you on the other hand I don't know from Adam, and I'd like to keep it that way. :rolleyes:

Hey no fair, I've told you for a while now that I want to see it. :P

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It isn't a prototype anything. For starters, a prototype wouldn't be stuck outside of a Vauxhall dealership in north London. Secondly, Australian-specification models do not have UK/European lighting specifications which this particular model has. But thirdly, this vehicle also has a regular private-issue RFL disc - and that's the immediate giveaway. Like I said, the car has been completely debadged to make it appear to be a Holden - some Vauxhall dealerships do offer this service to customers. I've seen a number of VXR8's with Holden badging - it's an easy swap. Indeed, a friend of mine did the same with his Vauxhall Monaro, even though he knows the most eagle-eyed will still recognise its European-specification details. While in Ohio I knew several VW dealerships who, for a fee, would obtain Bora badges via ebay for your prized new third-gen Jetta.

Prior to the Monaro, HSV used to sell vehicles in the UK in very limited numbers for a short period of time, as a result of Scot Mr Walkinshaw's involvement. They're a rare sight, but not devoid of presence here.

You must think I fell off a bloody Christmas tree, mate.

Here's me thinking you would put your money where your mouth is.

Again, it is what I say it is, it's not a swap, surely even you understand that vehicles have to be brought up to local standards of the jurisdiction they operate in, just like when I bring any car into the USA they have to meet the Federal and State standards, along with local city standards. Here's me thinking I don't care what you think, opinions are like arseholes, we all have them, I guess you can tell what I think of yours. :smilewide: Well I'm off to the beach, much to nice a day to spend it in here debating with the likes of you. Oh I saw your post about shutting Saturn down, now you do know Saturn is a subsidiary just like Vauxhall, however unlike Vauxhall it will be around a bit longer. The Saturn Corporation is incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware, and as such it would be very hard to shut down ... Yadda, Yadda, Yadda, sound familiar? I took it from your diatribe. :rotflmao:

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Hey no fair, I've told you for a while now that I want to see it. :P

I told you I only get up your way once a year, if that. This year I have a wedding in Scotland to attend, so I won't be in New England this year.

You need to move south, below the Mason/Dixon line. :AH-HA_wink:

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Again, it is what I say it is, it's not a swap, surely even you understand that vehicles have to be brought up to local standards of the jurisdiction they operate in, just like when I bring any car into the USA they have to meet the Federal and State standards, along with local city standards. Here's me thinking I don't care what you think, opinions are like arseholes, we all have them, I guess you can tell what I think of yours. :smilewide: Well I'm off to the beach, much to nice a day to spend it in here debating with the likes of you. Oh I saw your post about shutting Saturn down, now you do know Saturn is a subsidiary just like Vauxhall, however unlike Vauxhall it will be around a bit longer. The Saturn Corporation is incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware, and as such it would be very hard to shut down ... Yadda, Yadda, Yadda, sound familiar? I took it from your diatribe. :rotflmao:

You're full of it! A prototype Holden would not be necessarily be specced to UK lighting standards in final form, because any non-EU sourced vehicle is exempt from such requirements unless it is imported permanently, which prototypes by their very nature never are. But the RFL disc is the biggest giveaway that all you did was scour a privately-owned vehicle on Flickr. Also, if you've ever personally imported a car into the USA for more than one year before - which I have - you'd know that customs are only interested in whether the vehicle was originally built to meet FMVSS or can be capable of meeting it if built outside of North America. The rules are extremely complex and bureaucratic, but have nothing to do with State or local laws unless there is an excise duty or sales tax issue. My venerable old Bronco had umpteen European modifications done to it, yet US customs didn't even see the vehicle; they just wanted proof that it was originally built to FMVSS, which in my case required a letter from Ford's HQ. In my case, there was no excise duty implication because the vehicle had originally been sold in the US prior to its original move to Europe.

I'm curious to see the HSV in Switzerland. The shape of Swiss plates tends to differ from the EU norm and certainly from any issued in NSW. If you wanted to protect your privacy, you could always blank out the registration plate characters themselves.

Saturn is a wholly-owned subsidiary company of GM. It has its own issued shares and requires its own independent audit. Saturn could be formally wound up as a company just as easily as Vauxhall. But as is usual PCS you failed to follow my meaning; given the weight of Vauxhall as a marque in the UK, I highly doubt that would happen unless it wasn't viable as a going concern. Saturn however is one of a multitude of GM brandings in North America, and one which is suffering from slow sales because of GM's competition there with itself. Do remember that a incorporated business or company can cease trading, yet remain in existance as a legal entity in dormant company form.

Lastly it's your prerogative as to what you may think of my posts. Makes no odds to me whatsoever - but be rest assured I won't make the kind of pie-in-the-sky statements you're known for. Making conclusions about a car in a particular country because of its badge? Good lord!

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Only person that will see my car will be Camino, when I bring it to the US, since we talk on the phone from time to time, you on the other hand I don't know from Adam, and I'd like to keep it that way. :rolleyes:

Well, Camino did host a small gathering of local C&G people last August when FlyBrian flew in to pickup his '76 LeSabre... would you mind if Camino invited a small group again when you show up? You could pick those that get invited :AH-HA_wink:

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Well, Camino did host a small gathering of local C&G people last August when FlyBrian flew in to pickup his '76 LeSabre... would you mind if Camino invited a small group again when you show up? You could pick those that get invited :AH-HA_wink:

Lord that water is cold @ 9:30 AM. Hmmmmm, as I recall I did not attend that, so I don't know who was invited, and look what happened to fly, he became anti social after that! :smilewide:

Roger, I have a question for you. Who got you a sticker for your car when it was damaged and the door had to be replaced/repaired and both GM and your dealer said it was impossible to do or get that sticker? Hmmmmmm? :unitedstates:

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Intersting.... I'm tempted to call "shenanigans!"

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Only person that will see my car will be Camino, when I bring it to the US, since we talk on the phone from time to time, you on the other hand I don't know from Adam, and I'd like to keep it that way. :rolleyes:

Ladies and gentlemen, the Borger has a heart. Thanks for choosing not to send a Holden to the crusher. 8)

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aatbloke is right, that thing is the exact

same car on the flicker account and it's

the exact same photo!

PCS, you have some 'xplainin' to do....

Get caught with our pants down did we?

It's 2008, & with the internet a sloppy

BS artist gets called out pretty quickly.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11734496@N04/2395912809/

I went to flickr, typed "holden vauxhall"

in the search window and it came up on

the 1st page.

Now what.... PCS?

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Lord that water is cold @ 9:30 AM. Hmmmmm, as I recall I did not attend that, so I don't know who was invited, and look what happened to fly, he became anti social after that! :smilewide:

Roger, I have a question for you. Who got you a sticker for your car when it was damaged and the door had to be replaced/repaired and both GM and your dealer said it was impossible to do or get that sticker? Hmmmmmm? :unitedstates:

I know you were invited to attend last year, but you were unable to due to other plans ( :AH-HA_wink: ). You could always ask Camino who to invite! I know I'm not that far away, especially to see such a unique car :smilewide:

I know you did me that favor that no one else could do for me - I have not forgotten - and I am still grateful for you going out of your way to help me out. All I ask is that if you're going to Camino's house, especially with that great car, you let a few other C&Ger's come too to see the car (okay, just invite me then!!! :lol: ).

:cheers:

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* bump *

Waiting for PCS to get back from the Nuder-Beach.

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PCS and I have been discussing this particular car since before it was built.

Chew on that for a bit.

And this as well: PCS and I have very different opinions on the direction GM should be taking at this time, but we also have an understanding that allows us to both poke fun/needle one another while remaining respectful.

I am very much looking forward to seeing this car.

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PCS and I have been discussing this particular car since before it was built.

Chew on that for a bit.

And this as well: PCS and I have very different opinions on the direction GM should be taking at this time, but we also have an understanding that allows us to both poke fun/needle one another while remaining respectful.

I am very much looking forward to seeing this car.

Here's the same car from another angle:

2395913813_4b3b38be10.jpg

Several giveaways regarding this particular vehicle:

1. The owner has debadged his VXR (as many are) and installed key HSV monikers which are easy to obtain via VXR dealers or via ebay.

2. The wheels have HSV badges on the centre caps, and this is a common mod on UK cars. The original VXR brake calipers however remain on the vehicle.

3. The car has UK production-spec lighting front and rear. The rear fog, for example, is standard VXR issue.

4. The RFL disc is a standard private issue one-year registration expiring on 31 March 2009.

5. The photo angle above reveals the characters on the licence plate. The characters on UK plates denote both when and where the car was originally registered. GME products being tested as prototypes in the UK are usually German-registered, however any with UK plates are registered in Luton. This particular car was registered in Peterborough, at some point between 1 March 2008 (the date 08 registrations were released) and 7 April 2008 (the date the photograph was taken).

6. The front UK licence plate is an illegal custom plate designed to resemble an Australian NSW licence plate, which fits neatly into the bumper recess which was never specifically remoulded for UK VXRs. As a result, VXRs have standard front UK plates mounted on a bracket so it covers the NSW-sized recess. There are companies in the UK which also specialise in US-style custom plates, but these too are actually illegal and you take a risk using them while on public roads.

Here's another debadged VXR with HSV wheel caps:

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This should be plenty for everyone to chew on.

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Here's the same car from another angle:

2395913813_4b3b38be10.jpg

Several giveaways regarding this particular vehicle:

1. The owner has debadged his VXR (as many are) and installed key HSV monikers which are easy to obtain via VXR dealers or via ebay.

2. The wheels have HSV badges on the centre caps, and this is a common mod on UK cars. The original VXR brake calipers however remain on the vehicle.

3. The car has UK production-spec lighting front and rear. The rear fog, for example, is standard VXR issue.

4. The RFL disc is a standard private issue one-year registration expiring on 31 March 2009.

5. The photo angle above reveals the characters on the licence plate. The characters on UK plates denote both when and where the car was originally registered. GME products being tested as prototypes in the UK are usually German-registered, however any with UK plates are registered in Luton. This particular car was registered in Peterborough, at some point between 1 March 2008 (the date 08 registrations were released) and 7 April 2008 (the date the photograph was taken).

6. The front UK licence plate is an illegal custom plate designed to resemble an Australian NSW licence plate, which fits neatly into the bumper recess which was never specifically remoulded for UK VXRs. As a result, VXRs have standard front UK plates mounted on a bracket so it covers the NSW-sized recess. There are companies in the UK which also specialise in US-style custom plates, but these too are actually illegal and you take a risk using them while on public roads.

Here's another debadged VXR with HSV wheel caps:

2554224694_a70e968b31.jpg

This should be plenty for everyone to chew on.

That what you suggest can,and is, done means little in this particular instance.

Take the lights for example, we know from spy pics that GM regularly uses lighting that meets the host country's specs. The Camaro testing shots are a good example. We also know that prototype and test cars are often not what they appear to be.

And, I know what I was told about these and when - so I have little doubt about what the situation is.

But I guess we shall see at some point.

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That what you suggest can,and is, done means little in this particular instance.

Take the lights for example, we know from spy pics that GM regularly uses lighting that meets the host country's specs. The Camaro testing shots are a good example. We also know that prototype and test cars are often not what they appear to be.

And, I know what I was told about these and when - so I have little doubt about what the situation is.

But I guess we shall see at some point.

Prototypes use use lighting which meets local requirements, however they are not usually production-standard. The car pictured has a private tax disc and an illegal front plate which dosn't conform to DVLA standards, and furthermore isn't even registered in Luton. GM would never run such a risk or draw attention to a prototype in this manner. Anyone with even modest experience of VXRs in the UK will tell you how many are debadged. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see past PCS's tripe as far as this goes.

But hey, you're Americans.

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But hey, you're Americans.

Please do expand upon this comment.

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