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The Bolt is small.  You can’t really put 4 adults and luggage in a Bolt or 6 adults if really upping the ride share count.

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2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

A Metris is priced like an Odyssey, this won’t cost double.

A metris is IC; EVs are usually a $20K premium over IC TO START.

Plus, I don't see daimler pricing it UNDER a 8-yr older r-class if they're going to pitch it at families.  

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2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:


Already have them here. 

I thought the BOLTs running around San Francisco still had a human in them? Or are you talking someplace else?

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40 minutes ago, balthazar said:

A metris is IC; EVs are usually a $20K premium over IC TO START.

Plus, I don't see daimler pricing it UNDER a 8-yr older r-class if they're going to pitch it at families.  

Why are you pushing the family narrative? This is clearly for the commercial market even though they will probably have a few on the lot as “family haulers” but that would seem to be a very much niche market given the soft sales of family minivans to begin with. 

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13 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Why are you pushing the family narrative? This is clearly for the commercial market...

Because smk mentioned it. Plus; compare the interior of this to the plastic hell interior of the sprinter. I think smk’s offhand comment is correct.

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28 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Why are you pushing the family narrative? This is clearly for the commercial market even though they will probably have a few on the lot as “family haulers” but that would seem to be a very much niche market given the soft sales of family minivans to begin with. 

Actually, in some markets families do use MPVs/minivans instead of CUVs.   Some of the M-B promotional videos show families (albeit likely German ones) using the EQV...many different use cases are possible for such a vehicle.   I could see a spacious electric minivan as an alternative to M-B's other family vehicles like the GLE or GLS.

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7 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Because smk mentioned it. Plus; compare the interior of this to the plastic hell interior of the sprinter. I think smk’s offhand comment is correct.

Well you know that’s not a very reliable source lol. It’s insane to think that this will have families in mind when they price it. There are better and cheaper options when it comes to minivans. 

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Again; with that car-level interior, and the fact that the similar r-class started at $52K, AND this is to be electric, I fully expect it to be $70K to start. If it were gas with the shitty sprinter interior, i could see $35K.

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2 hours ago, balthazar said:

Because smk mentioned it. Plus; compare the interior of this to the plastic hell interior of the sprinter. I think smk’s offhand comment is correct.

A van has about 100 uses, that is the benefit of a van. 

The EQ C is $70k and that is a 400 hp luxury SUV, I bet they can make an EV van for $50k starting price.

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

A van has about 100 uses, that is the benefit of a van. 

The EQ C is $70k and that is a 400 hp luxury SUV, I bet they can make an EV van for $50k starting price.

• A van has 2 uses; transport 1 / a couple people, and transport stuff. It’s not cool/doesn't look good, doesn't impress anyone and doesn't drive/handle/accelerate well.

• EQC is 90% a GLC, which starts at $43K. Daimler electrified it and jacked the price to a (projected) $70,000. As is typical of all BEVs. The electrified cargo/ occasional family hauler is going to be madlymore expensive that the rest of the minivan segment. If it was going to be cheap they would've put the hard plastic from the sprinter in there.

• A eqc is far less capable of doing either of the 2 things a sprinter can do, so it should start well below the circa $38K the sprinter is. It won’t tho.

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

A van has about 100 uses, that is the benefit of a van. 

The EQ C is $70k and that is a 400 hp luxury SUV, I bet they can make an EV van for $50k starting price.

You know what is the one use a van doesn’t have anymore? As a mode of transportation for the majority of families out there. Please reference those sagging minivan sales brought up earlier. This has commercial intentions, plain and simple. 

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When we have autonomous vehicles with no steering wheel or pedals, people won't care about ride/handling or any of that.  All they will care about is space, in which a box gives the most space and comfort.  This is a commercial van now, but this application could be in wide use in 10 years.

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12 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

When we have autonomous vehicles with no steering wheel or pedals, people won't care about ride/handling or any of that.  All they will care about is space, in which a box gives the most space and comfort.  This is a commercial van now, but this application could be in wide use in 10 years.

IOW, a bus with no bus driver.

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20 hours ago, smk4565 said:

The Bolt is small.  You can’t really put 4 adults and luggage in a Bolt or 6 adults if really upping the ride share count.

You're getting pretty specific there and I would wager those rides are a much smaller percentage than 1 or 2 people. 

It isn't actually small. It just isn't van-large. 

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Most of my ride-share rides have been done in vehicle the Bolt would be equal or larger than. I've only rode with more than 2 people twice in which we needed 5 or 6 seats. 

Yeah, the Bolt can't cover the complete spectrum of Uber or Lyft "packages" but the entry price compared to an EV Mercedes is probably only 2/3 the price or less. I think it is safe to assume it would pay itself off quicker than the Mercedes even if you can't "Uber Black". 

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9 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

You're getting pretty specific there and I would wager those rides are a much smaller percentage than 1 or 2 people. 

It isn't actually small. It just isn't van-large. 

So true, the average is 1 to 2 people per Bolt, Lyft, Uber ride. The number of large rides is usually covered by a van type of service.

Some interesting info on Lyft.

https://expandedramblings.com/index.php/lyft-statistics/

https://expandedramblings.com/index.php/uber-statistics/

 

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Mercedes has an electric hatchback coming also, that is probably still bigger than a Bolt.  But I am not sure small hatchback is what the market wants when the Tesla Model 3 outsells the Bolt by a wide margin.

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44 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Mercedes has an electric hatchback coming also, that is probably still bigger than a Bolt.  But I am not sure small hatchback is what the market wants when the Tesla Model 3 outsells the Bolt by a wide margin.

#1 complaint about the Bolt is the interior. People point to the dash color and the interior seat / over all color choices. Clearly it sells as one of the best EV's, but GM is NOT listening to the buyers who would buy if there were better colors available.

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The Bolt is just awkwardly shaped. If they made it more car OR more CUV I think it would sell much better. But, as a theoretical ride-share vehicle, I think the looks of it are irrelevant and it would do perfect there. 

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21 minutes ago, dfelt said:

#1 complaint about the Bolt is the interior. People point to the dash color and the interior seat / over all color choices. Clearly it sells as one of the best EV's, but GM is NOT listening to the buyers who would buy if there were better colors available.

They(All EV-producing companies except Tesla) need to stop with trying to make their EVs quirky and weird. Make the interior "normal" and that becomes a non-issue. 

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38 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

The Bolt is just awkwardly shaped. If they made it more car OR more CUV I think it would sell much better. But, as a theoretical ride-share vehicle, I think the looks of it are irrelevant and it would do perfect there. 

The Bolt is also smaller than a Trax.  If the Bolt were Equinox sized it would sell better.

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It's shorter but it doesn't have an engine up front nor room for a driveshaft down the middle. The Bolt has more passenger interior volume. 

43 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The Bolt is also smaller than a Trax.  If the Bolt were Equinox sized it would sell better.

I do agree it would do better as a compact CUV instead of a subcompact. We all have been saying that for a long time now...

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All of GM's new BEVs should be crossovers ONLY.  No more BEV cars until further notice (or at least until sales actually improve).

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Well an EV sedan could sell as proven by the Model 3.

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