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There is also the problem with distracted pedestrians...zombies walking around not paying attention their surroundings, futzing with their phones...

https://www.gmfleetorderguide.com/NASApp/domestic/proddesc.jsp?year=2019&regionID=1&divisionID=2&type=0&vehicleID=21505&section=oi_def&page=4&butID=3

2018 Chrysler Pacifica Touring L Plus And I am super excited about it. It almost makes me sad that it is my wife's vehicle. For the life of me I have no idea why these things have such a bad reputation amongst the general public. They do everything a CUV does but better, with the possible exception of towing and that even depends on which CUV you are comparing it to. I personally think this thing is kick ass. I just wish GM would rejoin the market and make a stylish minivan. A Buick minivan would be good. Maybe make a little more stylish version of the GL8 they sell in China?

picking up later today

For the 2018 Model Year, Chevy gave the Tahoe an RST package for some extra sporting pizzazz and more recently introduced the RST Performance package on the Suburban. The RST removed chrome, blacked out grilles, and added custom wheels. Upgrading to the performance package brought on the 6.2 liter V8, 10-Speed automatic transmission, and GM's Magnetic Ride Control. At GMC, the only way to get those performance upgrades was to first check the box on the order form that said "Denali". One of our intrepid readers lurking around the GM Fleet Order Guide (Hat-tip: @ocnblu) found that GMC is planning to offer a virtually identical set of packages on the Yukon for 2019. Named Graphite and Graphite Performance Package, these packages should add a bit bolder look to the otherwise conservative Yukon. Like the Tahoe/Suburban RST, the GMC Yukon Graphite Edition removes most, if not all, of the bright chrome accents typically found on a Yukon. In their place are a black chrome mesh grille insert, black chrome fog lamp surround, body color grille surround, gloss black belt line moldings, and the Z85 Suspension package with air leveling. Special, package specific 22" bright machined wheels with Carbon Flash Metallic pockets and gloss black side assist steps are added. The Graphite Performance Edition adds to that with the 6.2 liter V8, 10-speed automatic, 3.23 rear axle, Magnetic Ride Control, upgraded 8" driver information center, heads up display, 8" infotainment system with navigation, trailer brake controller, upgraded alternator, unique performance edition 22" 6-spoke wheels, and on four-wheel drive models a 2-speed active transfer case. Not mentioned in the GMC order guide is the sport suspension calibration mentioned in the Tahoe RST guide, but that could simply be an order guide oversight. Both Graphite Editions will come wearing P285/45R22 tires and will only be available for selection on SLT equipped Yukons. The Yukon Graphite will be available in only three colors - White Frost Tricoat, Onyx Black, or Dark Sky Metallic. No official picture or release of the 2019 GMC Yukon Graphite Edition has been made by GMC yet, but expect something in the coming weeks. (2016 GMC Yukon SLT Pictured) View full article

You know what, these drive so nice.... and they finally made a mini-van that actually looks good. This is really the best crossover alternative out there that can still do all the hauling a crossover can do and more. I know @ocnblu would make fun of me for it, but I'd get the plug-in version... if only because it adds a bunch more scoot to the pentastar.

just gonna add night joggers and such. sometimes its more the pedestrian being visible before having to swerve/slam on the brakes.

We also just picked on of these up to replace our T&C. It is so much nicer of a vehicle than the T&C. A few small details I don't like as much. They went a little backward on storage with only the lower glovebox and seeming less storage in the center console, even with the IP drawer. The kids definitely like the seat back mounted screens more, though!

Technology is not going to help the scenario.

Picked this beast up close to the end of the month. Got a great deal on it. Dealer sold it to me for $250 over employee pricing so I can't complain. 2018 Chrysler Pacifica Touring L Plus with the S package.

I agree with both. Keep your head on a swivel at all times.

I vaguely remember as a kid in the 70s seeing the smog and pollution along the northern Ohio River---back when the coal plants and steel industry were busy from Pittsburgh to Steubenville, Oh to Wheeling, WV and further south...

My gut tells me this is not anything new about SUVs, but more of a distracted driving issue. We have clearly those that love to drive and those that care less. On top of the idiots that think driving is a privilege and anyone should be given a drivers license and allowed on the road. Lets first start with making the training more intense and focused on quality drivers before blaming the auto.

I guess they should have talked to Bosch

Yeah, largish city vs small town..I recognize those bridges over the Ohio River..driven over them before...

Dealerships loose money on those if that's all you have done. I believe it's actually called loss leaders. The hope is that they will find other work to do while inspecting the rest of the vehicle. Worn belts, brakes, ext ext. Any other work that can be done that will be profitable. I actually look for those coupons because I really can't do it myself any cheaper once I buy the materials.

If you are thin skinned or take things personally I guess there could be a problem. However these are is jest and I'll tell anyone offended to go bleep themselves. I'm not then skinned, easily offended, or politically correct. It would be very difficult to offend me. There are jokes that I have heard that I will not share here because it is not the appropriate venue. However there are jokes that are just plain racist and don't have a place anywhere. I think we all know the difference between in jest and unappropriate. It's no different than a joke you would tell in your circle of friends versus a joke you would tell at the company office party.

Here it is. I'll write up a review if anyone is interested.

Trucks rule and cars drool.

That's pretty much what made my decision. I've been casually shopping for a truck for the past couple years. Unfortunately trucks that aren't old and very high mileage are 30K and up for used. My truck needs some work and smog is due on it. As it sits now it won't pass. I bought the volt because it was cheap, and the gas I'm not buying is about the car payment. When I have the time I'll work on my truck and get it back on the road. I just couldn't get rid of it. It comes in handy too often.

I have thought seriously about one of these. Hard to beat it as a used car value.

I've been driving it for about two months now and it's serving it's intended purpose. About two thousand miles and roughly 10 gallons of gas used. Truth be told I prefer my truck still. But my situation at the time made the choice for me.

Was unable to edit the previous so did some copy paste, and added on. I was recently at a dealership talking to a salesman about PHEV cars. Told him I was researching them for a possible future purchases to replace my wife's car. I was very clear and polite that I was not buying anything now and I just wanted to look around. He continued to follow me around and did the "I can get you into something today" routine. Again I told him I'm not buying anything today. He then proceeded to the what kind of monthly payment would you like. I told him again the car would be for my wife and she would determine the payment she is comfortable with when the time comes. He then wanted to know what she drove. I told him I just wanted to look around. I'm not interested in buying anything now, and when that time comes I'll let him know. His interest shifted to what I drove, most likely because I was the one there. I told him a truck as I strolled through the car area. Naturally his next question was,what kind of truck do you drive, and what would you be looking for in a truck. And that's when he became a salesman that I will never buy anything from. Not because of the questions, but because of his know it all reaction when I answered him. Keep in mind I'm at a Ford dealer this whole time. I told him I'd be interested to know where PHEV pickup options are going. His response, in a shocked condescending tone, "phev pickup, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard of!". At this point I'm mearly tolerating the presence of this salesman, but I was curious to his reaction. So for some reason I asked him why. In that same condescending know it all tone as earlier, "trucks are for work. You cant work a PHEV. And you don't buy a truck for gas mileage." By now this salesman has more than confirmed that he is clueless. So I decided to play his game. I told him that I disagree and there are company's that are working on PHEV trucks that show a lot of promise. Again with the arrogance he says O, how much can they haul. I informed him that they could haul 2000 pounds. He says, how much can they tow. I told him about 5000 pounds. Naturally (any one want to guess where he went from there before continuing to read this) His response was, 5000 pounds, we have four cylinders that can do better, and only a 2000 payload. He was in full on salesman mode at this point, touting the superiority of his product. And as some of you may have guessed, I was done with him so there was no more being nice about the product around me out of politeness. I decided to let him have it in a very matter of fact way. Knowing Ford had nothing in the way of hybred trucks I asked him why do you put four cylinders in full size trucks. Well for efficiency he said proudly. But I thought you said people don't buy trucks for efficiency. Do you realize (I knew he didn't) That I can soon get a truck that can go 80 miles using no gas, then go as far as I want with the on board generator. On top of that I has a higher payload than my current truck that has hauled anything and everything I have ever asked it to. This guy didn't give up for some reason. He then starts to tout the ecoboost ability's and towing. I explained to him you could have eco, or, boost, but not both, and that I thought that naming that engine ecoboost was one of the dumbest things I ever heard of. And furthermore the biggest completion being GM and Ram have V8'S that often get better fuel economy under load. I could almost see his ears steaming at this point. I went on to say that I origanly came on the lot to look at phev (the Fusion in my case) cars and SUV's. And as I originally mentioned I was doing some research. I went on, since I have been here I found out that you don't offer any kind of plug in hybred SUV, and the Fusion I wanted to check out has an almost unusable truck because of the battery. I wasn't done, I then pointed out that the used volt sitting on the lot has more cargo space, and can go much further on electric alone than the Fusion. And that there was no foreseeable future when the F-150 was going to offer the tech I was interested in. So in doing my do diligence and researching what you have to offer it would seem that you are behind the curve when compared to the competition. The sales man turned around and started to walk away in an obviously pissed way. There was more to the conversation with him boasting about the ability of trucks, and me countering everything with logic, but this has already gone too long. As mentioned countless times in the past, many of us know ten times more about the vehicle we are looking at than the person trying to sell it to us. So It comes off as very off putting when some idiot on a car lot talks down to us. Now for the record, this particular dealer is great, and I will buy from them again. But If this particular salesman approaches me I will find the owners, whom I have dealt with many times and let them know that I would not piss on him if he was on fire. Take what you want from that experience, but remember, this is how some dealers get a bad name. Not all dealers are bad, but sometimes the staff can sour what could have been a good experience. The unfortunate part of that whole thing above is that if that was my first experience at that dealer I would have never gone back. But it wasn't my first experience with them, and I know how far they have gone out of the way, and out of their pocket to help me in the past. My concern is that idiot I dealt with that day will piss of other customers. And on that note, that brings up a whole new topic for debate.

OK, bitches. This is the official calendar mark - work on the B-59 resumed today, 02-24-18. Handed off the front Al-Fin drums to my buddy to clean up. They were turned years ago, he's going to tend to some brake surface cleanup, paint the hubs, do a tiny bit of modification to allow for aftermarket rims, and clean out the bearing areas. Spring is around the corner, and it's time to get this road whale (on it's way to) motorvating. - - - - - EDIT : 24 hr turnaround, nicely cleaned up. Will clear coat when the weather is warmer. 12" Al-fin (finned aluminum) with iron liners, getting Kevlar shoes when installed.