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Sure hope this is photoshop :

^ Please try not to quote a 20-pic post that's only a few posts above it. - - - - - So in other words- a copy of Tesla. Rear end shot looks like a 15-yr old camry. This is clearly some of the up-coming massive cost-cutting daimler was talking about.

I got this far into your post...when I thought about ONLY one thing. LETS GO CRAZY!!! LETS GET NUTS!!!

Interior of new S-Class is SOOOOO "not luxury". It is modern yet barren, like a Tesla. I guess, like tailfins, Mercedes-Benz has copied questionable ideas from others for many decades. The exterior? Same ol', same ol'.

• MB was decimated in europe by Bentley & Rolls' product; then 'old world' luxury was in in Europe. Euro heads spun whenever they had the chance to sample an American luxury car then. An S in 1960 is a utilitarian, pedestrian vehicle with NO luxury touches/amenities to it. No comparison. • If WHEN a recession gets rolling, ALL luxury brands will see a decline of sales, including daimler. It's not going to 'get divided', it's going to erode. >>"to build a brand and come into a crowded market you need a product that can steal sales."<< That's precisely why mercedes benchmarked Cadillac, Lincoln & Imperial so furiously hard in the U.S.. Their existing product couldn't steal anything. Took them decades & decades to get the formula right.

My political thought for the day, given how much I like this election cycle.

Agree on all 3. I have a heavyweight Buffalo 18 drill press....about 600 pounds of Iron. About 1937 or 1938. Powermatic 87 Wood and metal bandsaw, about 1300 pounds.....I love heavy old industrial machinery. Works so well. Similar in colors to the 69 pace car but a Z28, I like it. V8 love for today....lets see if we can turn the volume up a bit on this one!

EXACTLY! He just 100% proved my point! It took Benz decades to make any kind of impression, sales wise, in this country but somehow companies like Lexus and now Genesis should have made immediate impacts despite the fact that the market is FAR more competitive now than it was when Mercedes first started selling in this country.

"Mercedes built the best car, that is why they took over the luxury market." It took MB like 50 years to 'take over'; 50 years and a huge downmarket push for volume. They also did it with plastic door handles, rubber bumpers and vinyl stickered 'wood'. You've only given Genesis 15 years, and in a much more crowded market that costs MUCH more to bring a new model to that market. Besides, Bentley & Rolls both build a FAR nicer, higher quality, more luxurious auto than Mercedes ever has or will. I guess that makes them (take your pick) "the best".

My dad used to work a 2nd job at a Standard/Aamaco station back in the late 80s/early 90s. Used to run around that station as kid.....also worked on my first cars there as well...... ? Have a very soft spot for those stations....

The 2020 Cadillac CT6 has a 10.2" infotainment touchscreen display in all trim levels and a 12" gauge cluster HD display in higher end trims. I've driven one, they're plenty big enough. Many like myself don't want the huge Tesla'esque finger print and dust magnet touchscreen panel. https://www.cadillac.com/search-inventory/ct6/details?x-symbolic=vdp&x-carline=ct6&x-modelyear=2020&q-sourcepath=/vdc-collections/2020/sedans/ct6/ct6/jcr:content/vdcVehicleInfoBlockConfig/vdcShoppingLinks#?radius=2000&models=CT6&years=2020&customertype=GC&makes=Cadillac&filterconfigkey=Cadillac-2020-CT6&requestedPostalcode=85351&postalcode=85351&vin=1G6KV5RJ2LU105934&filtermatched=exactmatch&primarydealerdistance=3.5&bac=279625&pagenumber=1&dealerSearchBy=bac&primarydealerid=279625&primarydealerpostalcode=85308&[email protected]&primarydealername=ARROWHEAD CADILLAC&primarydealerphone=6026353160

I like wet nuts on a hot fudge sundae.

So Tesla Sparse blah interior is the new ubber luxury standard of the world? ? My 2006 Platinum Escalade ESV is more luxurious than this!

• I have a Champion Blower & Forge post drill, about 1905. It works very well but I haven't mounted it yet- need to sell off my 1940 Index No. 55 milling machine to clear a post. I believe it weighs 180 lbs. • My tabletop drill press is a Sprunger, maybe circa 1965-70. The 2nd of those 3 came to me free. Horse- would enjoy trading pics of your/my machines here...

Same here. C5 Vettes also. I posted some C4 Vettes in another thread 2-3 weeks ago, and ever since then, I fell in love with them again. The early ones. 1984-1989. With the square flat front and concave back. And Ive been loving the C5 for about a week now when I saw one driving around. Saw the same one again just now. Literally. I just came home. I saw it 2 minutes before entering my home. I kissed the wife. She told me to disinfect my hands before kissing her, said hi to my kids and turned on the computer to log in this site, read what you wrote and responded to it with this lame post.

Here is my thought on this too:

Restored vintage Delta drill press....not mine...

This is a Corvette Challenge car, C4...it just screams get in and drive me hard. I actually am developing a fetish for C4 vettes.

$8500 on Facebook marketplace, other pics look very good, clean car.

https://hgrinc.com/productDetail/Fabrication/Used-Crescent-Vertical-Band-Saw/02202210072/ Open link, piece of GM lordstown history. If I had room in my shop, I would bring it home.

Them's fightin' words... Period correct fightin' song. (Accounting for both Pontiacs pictured above that is) Id challenge you to a drag race for pink slips if it werent for this Covid19 thing. That and I dont own an F-Body nor an A-Body...just yet. So you lucky!

1970s pic of a Sohio station at Sunset & Wilshire in Steubenville, Ohio..about a mile from my childhood home..I remember riding w/ my Dad and stopping there. It's still there, a BP station now.

Have you checked your basement

Firebird 400 for me, please. Pontiacs of the 1960's always look so good in white. Regardless of your politics, time we started taking care of Americans. This guy makes a lot of sense, please listen.

Love both of these cars....loved that Body style ford since I was a kid but....the Savoy just does it for me on so many levels. Enjoy! Addicted tow watching 60's muscle do the quarter mile...both of these Pontiacs are achingly beautiful.

press one

What? No People Are People to go with Power Station songs? I am enjoying the Orbison tracks right now. He passed during my senior year of high school, and I remember actually being sad by the fact.

B-Body, ALWAYS, over F- or A-Body. ? - - - - - Ann Arbor MI '1937 :

I am not saying Genesis has to outsell everyone. I am saying if they want to win, they need SUV's obviously, and to build a better car. Mercedes built the best car, that is why they took over the luxury market. I like the G80's new look, the interior is nice too. But is it better than the competition? I don't think better, so is the $5k price discount enough to overcome that? Genesis is basically doing what Cadillac did 6-7 years ago, with ATS, CTS and CT6, that is what G70, G80, and G90 are in size and price, they are almost identical. This G80 is nicer than the CTS, and G90 is nicer than CT6 was, but they probably don't have the chassis dynamics, so that could be a trade off. And those Cadillac sedans didn't find success 5 years ago, now the sedan segment is even less, how does Genesis succeed where Cadillac failed?

Tesla is pulling the industry in an EV/autonomous drive/minimalist interior direction. The S-class will be far more luxurious than anything Tesla makes. And we haven't seen the final S-class interior, but what they seem to be doing it getting rid of plastic buttons which often look cheap in favor of a big screen.

I said I think the Genesis looks nice, they've shown the production car interior. I'd still like to sit in it to see it first hand. We don't have a full reveal of the S-class, so we can't judge it yet, and I said the same thing when the Escalade leaked out, I want to see the actual reveal. The G80 is a nice car, I think it is their nicest vehicle inside and out, but it is going to be a sales struggle because 20 cars came before them and failed, and Genesis isn't doing anything those guys didn't already do. CTS is gone. CT5 is also a C-class competitor. We can throw CT6 on that list too though. The G80's starting price is $5k lower than the CT6, and it is a smaller car. Is the G80 all that much better than a CT6? Especially when Cadillac has a 100 year old name brand and built in loyal buyers and a dealer network.