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She says the front (Mach-E) ‘looks generic’ but she likes the rear. Told it’s $43K to start, no real reaction. Wasn’t aware it was electric (upon seeing the pic). When asked if she’d consider one, she said yeah; she’d look at it. When asked if she’d rather this or a Mustang coupe, she said ‘Oh yeah; the coupe’. I told her she’d have to plug it in every other night and she said ‘Oh God, I’d never get anywhere!’ [note; she’s been home from work for about 2.5 hrs, and I just reminded her for the 2nd time her cell is still locked in her car.]

As @David pointed out, the last time GM built these vehicles was 2017... so yeah, they are reaching the end of their service lives. And also, read between the lines.... this is basically a contract for Secret Service support vehicles. They have a duty profile unlike most any other in the world. The existing vehicles last entered service 5+ years ago. You're correct that they won't get passed down to other departments but they're also such a tiny percentage of the overall federal fleet that they're less than a rounding error. Also, the current administration did not put a timeline on when the fleet conversion would be completed and they were likely informed by GM and Ford (the likely only two bidders on the contract) that there would not be a BEV platform that meets the requirements of the Secret Service (and similar) in time for when the 2017 units need to be retired. Along with these, the government is going to have to replace the aging Fusions and Impalas as they reach the end of their service lives. Bureaucrats driving these cars are going to switch to.... what? What is on the market as a BEV that will: 1. Be a like for like replacement for a Fusion or Impala 2. Be cost effective 3. Be built in the US with US parts As for the need, the standards of reliability are so much higher for the Secret Service that it is more economical to replace the entire vehicle than to do tear down and rebuilds at 50k miles (just a guess on the service interval). You can't have a Suburban breaking down over a bad lifter actuator while the Pope or Queen Elizabeth is visiting. Things that are inconveniences to you and I are international incidents to any administration. We have 50% more police cars than officers on duty at any given time for exactly this reason.

2000 Oldsmobile Profile concept with a light bar on front.

What EV doesn't look bad to you? What one would you allow in your driveway? (Not trying to be a dick, genuinely curious because you seen to greatly dislike most everything new and/or EV)

Yeah, as long as it has a quick detach mount id be fine with that. I’m going to need tires in the spring and I don’t mind making a bit more scrambler looking

Hold my beer

Car interiors for decades have either been cheap, forgettable or lame. Only in the last 10-15 years have interiors actually improved to the point where you actually see a car as more than just a transport device. By today's standards, no car built prior to 2002 is even worthy of praise for its interior. Virtually all car interiors were cheap and often forgettable for a very long time. We should enjoy what cars are offering us NOW because a lot of us remember what car interiors have been: cheap, forgettable, lame or a combination of the three, regardless of automaker.

Pretty sure that would be outside her comfort zone, size-wise. And although that clock is ticking, she still has to take her mother to appointments, a person who would never be able to climb up into an SUV. I think once said clock stops, she may seriously consider getting back into a Mustang.

I like it for a sedan, but I will likely end up with a Rivian eventually instead

Yet even the EQS cannot compete with what this has to offer at the price point. Right now this is making Tesla and Mercedes, heck even Porsche looking pathetic when you take performance and range into consideration. I was going to post pictures of the Tesla S Plaid, EQS and Porsche and yet the ability seems to not be working right now.

And? It’s a luxury EV. Besides the $81K model is going to have just over 400 miles of range. That’s 100 less than the top of the line Lucid but for half the price.

Server is a little shaky at the moment and I can't find the cause. I am literally on the sand at the beach right now, please be patient.

I think it's a lot better looking than most EVs from any of the legacy automakers.

Do you genuinely believe the United States government is in NEED of these new vehicles, the government that is known to piss money away like no other?

Random cool picture of downtown Columbus...my woodworking friend Devon took this with his motorcycloe on a bridge... Random cool pic for today.

Hold my wine spritzer. Add insult to injury, its @smk4565 car's interior. Now, if we want to criticize GM for whatever reason, we should ALSO look at the German car with the SAME freakin' critical eye. If we dont, well then, by golly...we arent really truthful to ourselves then. And I dont really give a shyte who the phoque I offend! That right there, that Mer-say-deez Benz. Its one cl -ass-y car, I must say. Better than anything Ive ever owned, I reckon. Honestly...I REALLY dont understand why we keep on shytting on GM's interiors? Is it BECAUSE Mercedes used two toned plastic greys and shinier fake wood on the more expensive models? From 2007 that Mer-SAY-deez. An E 500 apparently. 1998 Cadillac One generation apart and the Mercedes looks EXACTLY like that shytty FWD Caddy. Go ahead, zoom in on the steering wheel and dash. Plastic and vinyl.. Its "luxury" because its got textured plastic? LOL Its the same category too... Its not as if I took a C Class to compare it to. A freakin E 500 at that. MORE expensive... Yet alls we here about is how shytty the STS' interior was in car magazines and Eurosnobby patrons of Eurotrash cars like our fellow Mercedes E Class owner resident. Nothing personal, buddy. (SMK) But I find it hi-larry-us you dissing on American cars when your own 'luxury' car was a dime a dozen taxi cab with a rugged, but taxi cab worthy interior...

VW showed off their new ID.Life concept BEV that will start below $20,000 Euro's or below $23,640.00 U.S. Dollars. This will be built on a Shortened MEB platform. Album of Images: ID. LIFE concept car | Volkswagen Newsroom (volkswagen-newsroom.com) Outlook into electric entry-level mobility: world premiere of the Volkswagen ID. LIFE concept - Volkswagen US Media Site (vw.com)

^ They're a minimum of 4 years old, it's ridiculous that they'd be "worn out". It's the same-old, typical, Big Gov't, blow-thru-money SOP.

He doesn’t even have the model right. It’s the GLS580 (there is no longer a 550 model) which starts at just under $100K it does offer rear seat massagers as a $4500 option. Not sure where the MT article got the “segment first” for the Navigator from.

Exactly my point above but clearly he doesn't see the irony in his statement.

^ GLS is just a copy of the Navigator anyway; a German brand trying to be what they aren’t. ?

Have passed 2500 miles- no problems or issues to report. Suspension settled down, MPG is edging upward. Still : ?