G. David Felt

That is freakin Beautifull. Saw a 68 GTO Convertible and a beat up Sunfire Convertible on the way in today.

Dark Chocolate

No, I think pure greed of if we can get away with spending less on emission hardware, we can make more profit. My gut tells me this. Any place a company can get away with a bribe to not have to have a higher cost of building they will do it. Like Drew, I do wonder what Ford would say as to why it is harder in India than anywhere else.

Seattle you see the dealerships for ford\Lincoln and yet you see very little Lincoln product on the lots or on the roads around here. Most friends I have had chats with feel that Lincoln will be gone in a few years as it is pretty much ignored by Ford and you can get a ford at a luxury level so why bother with Lincoln. If they are selling any Lincoln, then it must be around Detroit, midwest and east coast as they are vaporware on the west coast.

Why even bother commenting POW if you are not even going to put up any points of thoughts. The amount of destructive corrosive chemicals used and their dangerous by product in production of the Electric auto's greatly out weights the instant gratification of people that say I am green without looking at the bigger picture. Post your reports and quote who your experts are that shows the production of the batteries, electric motors etc do not produce the large quantities of green house gas. Yes electric auto's do have a major reduction in driving these glorified golf carts for inner city use compared to petrol cars, but there is a big up front production of green house gas to achieve this. How it plays out will be interesting to see. For the US to meet the crazy 2050 fuel efficiency targets we will need auto's that get 180MPG by then and current technology of electric auto's, petrol and diesel do not have what it takes to get there. While a big fan of CNG, even that will not make the 2050 standards work to reduce green house gas and improve efficiency without some hybrid alternatives. I am not against the electric auto's, but we do need to acknowledge the additional costs to mother earth in production of these products that is not done with a petrol, cng or diesel auto.

Mounds

I will say that I see much more prius on the roads plus like you at the airports it is almost all Toyota on the rental lots. Hard to actually find american cars in some cities.

This is so awesome to see for GM after the pre-bankruptcy sales. Nice to finally have a stable of quality products that people can love.

That is such a sexy beast, awesome color and I can only imagen how nice the interior is and engine bay an based on your teasing comments, did we get OEM rims back on it?

Hope they make it roomy inside as while I like the car, my knees hit the dashboard and my head touched the ceiling. For sure was not my fathers Cadillac.

My Compliments, the site is really Snappy!

Was just zoning out the bus window on the trip into work this morning and buzzing by was a gray plymouth scamp. Was surprised to see any of these still running. Still think the market would buy up someone building mini pickup trucks. A need for the city scene as well as casual use by the rural crowd.

If that is true Reg, then I would for sure get an XTS.

I hate to burst bubbles, but people who use the word efficiency in regards to electric cars crack me up. Efficiency on electric auto's is a joke when you look at the full picture of how much green house gas is created for the battery packs, the amount of pollution created for the battery and electric motor systems. I would have to find it, but a few years back when the Prius first came out, someone did a review on what the estimated amount of green house gas created for a standard compact gas car compared to the Prius car. To produce the Prius you created 10yrs worth of green house gas compared to producing an eco compact and running it for 10 years and with the battery changes needed at 100,000 miles or sooner depending on where the auto ran, you produced additional large amounts of green house gas compared to the compact auto. Electric Auto's are not the Efficient Auto marketing tends to portray, it is all a lie. Now just being clean in a dense city, yes they make perfect sense to have golf carts in the big cities for cleaner living by city folk.

I understand the current VOLT system would not work in the compact and subcompact cars as is, but different battery designs to work with the size of the auto and a proper generator would make this a great little hybrid that many would I think like over a pure electric golf cart version. I feel the VOLT system should go into the full size Suburban/Tahoe SUV with more battery storeage to allow longer electric range along with the generator to give true road trip use. I see volts popping up all over seattle. Seem to becoming much more popular.

Chocolate covered Raisins

I think GM could make a killing if you put a VOLT style powertrain in these little cars. That would make many happy I suspect.

With the recovery from the storms pretty much over, people that needed to get an auto right away are taken care of and now it is focused on other things. Plus the variety of new quality cars are making people hold off on buying an older less quality auto and buy something new. IMO

Interesting list, I am sure we all could come up with additional auto's that should be on the list rather than some of the ones they have.

doodles

Saw a Shadow being driven. Could not believe that little beast was still on the road.

Agree with Reg, no one will miss this turd.

It would be great to see a mock up design drawing of a Turbo or Supercharged V4 FWD solution as well as RWD solution. I know you have the large fly wheel and torque converter, but I have always wondered why you have to have such a large bell type housing. Why not curve it to be more bowl shape and then spread out the gear system so you have like a fat cigar shaped tranny which would allow you to loose the large opening on a firewall and spread the tranny down the RWD tunnel. I personally think Transmissions could be better packaged than in a big bulky Bell shaped current package.

Happy B-Day Zman. Hope you have a great one!

William, I know you are busy but can you give us a quick review between these two? I like many are interested in your input on a comparison between these two awesome cars. Thanks in advance.