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A Tale of Two Chevys. What a contrast I must say. In a Couche Tard parking lot (7 Eleven if you will) At one end of a 7-8 car parking on the left. An all black C7 Corvette Z06 with the Z07 package and at the complete other end, a 1988-'89ish blue Corsica and no other cars in the middle. The Corsica was in extremely good condition. As I zoomed past the depanneur, this is the visual I got:

I am not into this self-driving/self-help features on cars such as self parking and Tesla's valet thing. Maybe when Im old enough to NOT be able to drive properly and need a walker will I probably appreciate this kind of technology. About smaht pahk. Ill be a smahtty pants about it. About the only thing I was impressed by it, it was a great Superbowl commercial.

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As far as concepts go, this is awesome. It meets the criteria of a concept of being over-the -top. If they tone it down a tad, but not too much, I think it works and blends in with what Ford, Dodge and Chevy/GMC are doing. So much so, that I think this truck blends all 3 D3 trucks elements in its styling. The hood reminds me of a Silverado/Sierra. OK...indentation versus bump...but still a hood stamping of some sort. The grille of a RAM and the contouring " [ ] " style LED lights of an F-150 I hate the blue neon thing. I actually like that weird triangular C pillar, but I admit, it would probably look 1000 times better had it been a square instead. Good for GM in...following in the footsteps of Ford with Rivian. But more to it than that... GREAT for GM for trying to cash in with the ridiculous stock appraisals that EV start-ups get because GM would NEVER get that kind of stock gains. Wallstreet a$$holes prefer to inflate start-up stock prices because there is literally trillions of dollars to be made trading from this EV thing. Its just a way for Wallstreet to make money and less about the product... Therefore, if GM invests in a start-up like this, GM can also benefit from the cash that is about to be splurged...

Am I missing something? I do not know about the other motors in the other brands. But knowing that Nicola Tesla invented the 3 phase induction motor and that Elon’s Tesla car company’s motor IS in fact a 3 phase induction motor, producin’ AC current, I think Tesla the company is a very appropriate name.

My partner has got one (Tesla). Two of my immediate neighbors have got EVs. (Both Teslas). One of those neighbors had a 1st gen Volt. A mom of one of the girls I coach in softball has got one. (Tesla) And I shoot the shyte with ALL them regarding their EV ownership. And guess what? None of YOUR fears, and fake EV news relate to their world of EV ownership, dipshyte.

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You know I support your argument here 100%...but... That bolded statement is not exactly 100% correct nor factual. Vehicles that are well maintained by their owners for those 15 years actually DO run they way they were engineered all these years... THIS...should be applied to all of us. Anything less of this....is hypocritical. And THAT applies to ALL of us.

powered by...gasoline? Maybe diesel?

Winning...and dining = Charlie Sheen And if that is the case, Im guessing what happens in Hawaii stays in Hawaii? ? EDIT... I SWEAR I SAW WINNING in there. I had to restart my quote to you and before I knew it...winning was gone.

Electricity will be taxed (for income) just like gasoline is now, making electricity less cheaper than it is now. Maybe, making electricity just as pricey as gasoline is now. Especially in European countries. Hydro-Quebec has fairly cheap electricity rates. Cheaper than most North American rates. Quebec has fairly steep gasoline taxes. More than other North American places. I KNOW electric rates WILL be going up when EVs start eating up ICe sales. Quebec THRIVES on taxing their citizens... Its inevitable. Its logical and frankly, its the only course of action for governments to keep the coffers full.

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Yes but, gasoline powered generators exist and most of the gasoline stores I know, in my neighborhood at least, have these things and gasoline could be pumped. If car batteries are not used as generators as 2nd and 3rd life in buildings, factories and homes, then we are crap out of luck... If solar powered roof tops are not a thing, then we are crap out of luck. And it seems, when talking about an EV future, and talking about ICE bans, we are not exactly talking about actually implementing alternative power sources to help us out when the electrical grid goes out. I guess its because, if we actually DO engineer a reliable solar, wind and battery back-up system like a Tesla power-wall, to power our homes, our businesses without "Big Electricity", then we wont need "Big Electricity" then Big Electricity corporations wont exist... Think about it. If my house, has a Tesla Power-wall, with a solar powered roof, enough battery tech to power my stuff inside my home, enough battery power with MORE than enough batteries that the solar roof I have installed ALWAYS keeps my batteries charged and the energy I use NEVER exceeds that usage, I will NEVER need Hydro-Quebec... If battery tech advances so much as they say it will, even hospitals will NEVER need to use the corporate grid. But Im guessing THAT will never happen. Capitalism only works if there are businesses around to sell goods and services. Therefore, I do NOT see a future where humans will produce the energy they need to wane off of "Big Energy". So, we are forever gonna be stuck in this cycle of paying through the nose for energy. So...if we put ALL our eggs into one energy basket, we are gonna be far worse off than we are today...

I MOST HEARTEDLY AGREE with this. If government wants to play for everybody, than everybody needs a chance to own one. NEW. And since taxpayer money will fund this project of switching from ICE to EVs, than the market should be able to sustain itself because there simply isnt an infinite amount of public money around . There are other NECESSARY projects that need public funding. I agree, and what @Drew Dowdell gave as a response, IS NOT a VIABLE solution. Its not safe. In ANY WAY, its not safe. Its ugly. Yada yada yada. And what I said about wireless charging and charging on the fly tech. Is ALSO not a viable solution as what North America has as a road infrastructure, its super expensive and nearly impossible to dig up all our roadways to install a wireless, charge on the fly system. There needs to be a ban for ICE as it will FORCE the change. Too much oil money is out there for the EVs to fully gain traction FAIRLY. Is a change to EVs a better, cleaner solution? Nobody knows really.... But for it to work, to be cleaner, then ALL the pie in the sky EV hooplas HAVE to be put into play. All the battey recycling programs and ideas HAVE to be adopted by ALL the countries in the world. The 2nd and 3rd life of car batteries as housing and building energy sources and when those lifes have ended, to recycle the elements once again NEED to be part of our future as well. And EVERYBODY on the planet NEEDS to follow that same path. No rogue countries... With that being said, what I just wrote. Its a daunting, almost impossible task to achieve. 1. EV supporters also have a greedy, seedy side to them as much as big oil. 2. Money. Where is all this money going to come from that is needed to achieve all of this? Its great that Communist China is gonna fit the bill for part of it. Elon Musk too. But that is just a smidgen of how much is REALLY needed to achieve this eutopia. And NOT everyone is on board with this. 3. The technology is not where it needs to be just yet to make the switch as how you discussed it. (I understand fully where you are coming from) 4. Its like autonomous driving. Its nice to talk about how peachy it will be in the future, but have the folk that want this discussed how much electrical energy is needed to be produced for ALL cars in the world to be powered by electricity? How will this happen? In Quebec, China, I could see how. In Italy and Greece, Oaxaca, Mexico (drug cartels and corruption amongst the problems) and other poor, landlocked areas, not so much. Nuclear power is worse than oil in terms of pollution. In case of a natural disaster...ouch. 5. If the electrical grid fails, for whatever reason, how are we gonna cope with that? What I mean by that is, it seems that we wanna wane off of oil, nuclear power...we want to put all our eggs in th electricity basket. Solar, wind, water. The thing is, all that energy is distributed with the same transportation. IE: generator stations producing or collecting the energy than distributing it along cables and lines. But its the SAME network.... If that network is severed, then NO power at ALL. With oil, oil is distributed by rail, by ship, by pipelines by trucks. PLUS, oil today, has a companion in nuclear and electrical to feed us humans power. We want to sever the ties with oil and nuclear as a power source... I wanted to show you, that I fully understand and support your stance. I wanted to find common ground with you. I think we have succeeded in complimenting each other's point of view.

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Rob Zombie aint my style of rock, but I appreciate you ( @Gregory Lynn ) sharing this with us!

@ocnblu You would be so lucky if Id call you. You would soooo want me to give you all the attention. I know how to cook. Id be making YOU that chicken and rice. All KINDS of ways. ( wink wink) But alas, Im toooo good for you... I dont date immature little boys.

Its not the story about your PDR guy I dont believe. If you care to know why Im nipping at your heels, Im willing to discuss it. But, you never seem to give me a back and forth conversation. Its only YOUR voice you wanna hear. So...the day you STOP answering back with laughy votes or laughy emogis or simply stop ignoring me or mocking me when I talk to you, this is alls you get. BTW...I thought you never cared about discussions. I thought you trolled because it was just amusement for you... ? So why do you care what I do with my, and I quote you, my supply and right to the red side of things? ?

Id like to find common ground with this conversation. Im exhausted with my day. However, If Im not headed to bed in the next hour, I will quote the areas of where I agree with you and where I dont, but Id like to concentrate of where we agree. If I am going beddy bye bye, Ill do this tomorrow.

How is that any different from putting gas in an ICE car at a gas station? *SIGH* charging times WILL go down. Banning of ICE cars is not happening tomorrow... and even if it were...charging times aint that bad now... Its that hyperbolic commentary that forbids me in actually agreeing with you on your points. I actually DO agree with everything you have said.

Im not saying that. Actually. You are. Making excuses of why things shoudnt change because poor single mom failed at her marriage and has 2 kids to lug around without a father for her children and no means of transportation. Down on her luck? Maybe shytty choices she made in her life... This is just a "what if" scenario you presented us with. You tried to use it to make me cry us to why ICE shoudnt be banned. I turned around THAT scenario to MY favour to discredit that excuse with a REAL anecdotal situation. My grandparents, just as many poor people in Montreal at that time, who had huge families, no jobs, 1933 economic crisis, had to search for jobs, lug around kids while walking to market places to buy the little food they could afford, in extremely cold and snowy Montreal weather. Yeah. If those people did it then, then in your story, single moms with 2 kids and jalopy Tesla Model 3s and Chevy Bolts could do the same. And...just to be clear here. I come from a very very poor background.

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Sorry Balthy, I must disagree with that point of view. If there is a will, there is a way. If the going get tough, the tough get going. The ultimate measure of man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy- MLK