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Rob Zombie aint my style of rock, but I appreciate you ( @Gregory Lynn ) sharing this with us!

@ocnblu You would be so lucky if Id call you. You would soooo want me to give you all the attention. I know how to cook. Id be making YOU that chicken and rice. All KINDS of ways. ( wink wink) But alas, Im toooo good for you... I dont date immature little boys.

Its not the story about your PDR guy I dont believe. If you care to know why Im nipping at your heels, Im willing to discuss it. But, you never seem to give me a back and forth conversation. Its only YOUR voice you wanna hear. So...the day you STOP answering back with laughy votes or laughy emogis or simply stop ignoring me or mocking me when I talk to you, this is alls you get. BTW...I thought you never cared about discussions. I thought you trolled because it was just amusement for you... ? So why do you care what I do with my, and I quote you, my supply and right to the red side of things? ?

Id like to find common ground with this conversation. Im exhausted with my day. However, If Im not headed to bed in the next hour, I will quote the areas of where I agree with you and where I dont, but Id like to concentrate of where we agree. If I am going beddy bye bye, Ill do this tomorrow.

How is that any different from putting gas in an ICE car at a gas station? *SIGH* charging times WILL go down. Banning of ICE cars is not happening tomorrow... and even if it were...charging times aint that bad now... Its that hyperbolic commentary that forbids me in actually agreeing with you on your points. I actually DO agree with everything you have said.

Im not saying that. Actually. You are. Making excuses of why things shoudnt change because poor single mom failed at her marriage and has 2 kids to lug around without a father for her children and no means of transportation. Down on her luck? Maybe shytty choices she made in her life... This is just a "what if" scenario you presented us with. You tried to use it to make me cry us to why ICE shoudnt be banned. I turned around THAT scenario to MY favour to discredit that excuse with a REAL anecdotal situation. My grandparents, just as many poor people in Montreal at that time, who had huge families, no jobs, 1933 economic crisis, had to search for jobs, lug around kids while walking to market places to buy the little food they could afford, in extremely cold and snowy Montreal weather. Yeah. If those people did it then, then in your story, single moms with 2 kids and jalopy Tesla Model 3s and Chevy Bolts could do the same. And...just to be clear here. I come from a very very poor background.

Cue in Tony Bennett

Sorry Balthy, I must disagree with that point of view. If there is a will, there is a way. If the going get tough, the tough get going. The ultimate measure of man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy- MLK

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ay oh! Its only illegal if you get caught! Capisce???!!!

Maybe I misread...but the excuses were lame.

Ha! My mother did EXACTLY that in the 1970s albeit with one kid. My dad worked the night shift for awhile and the grocery shopping was done by my mom, me in the carriage taking the city bus. PS: she hardly spoke a word in English and none in French. My grandparents...with 9 kids, 75-85-90 years ago in the 1910s and 1920s and the 1930s, not only did they not know both languages, but they had NO car and the transport system in Montreal was just a tramway. Not even taxis... And they were dirt phoquing poor. Common man! Stop with the petty excuses! You said it later, that banning of ICE should be done when proper charging infrastructure is in place and REAL affordable EVs are in the marketplace. THAT is a much more reasonable argument. Ill get behind THAT sentiment. Not the rest.

There are gas stations RIGHT NOW that have chargers. Gas stations will convert to being charging stations. This is happening at a faster pace in Canada, Northern Europe with Nordic countries such as Norway than in the States. These folk will power up exactly how they gas up if wireless tech is not up and runnin’ or if the city planners abandon them. Charging times WILL come down to that of gassing up. The argument at play is being presented as if there are no solutions. The word on the street is that we as humans want to try to colonize Mars and a small problem like charging a transportation pod is an unsurmountable feat? (For the poor...like we ever gave a shyte about the poor. Especially visible minorities and single mommies) LOL

Like I said... By THAT time...WIRELESS charging will be a thing. But then again, I know some folks who have houses, no driveways, have cars...old cars. Jalopies. But...dont put full up to the rim when empty, and ONLY drive when absolutely necessary. PS: Hydro-Quebec cuts the power to them in the summer, NOT the winter. Because too cold. Its inhumane. Because they dont pay their hydro bills I also know folk that DO have driveways, have not that old vehicles, but poor nonetheless, pay their bills, but their home is a disaster. No maintenance done either to their cars or their home. And rough Quebec winters makes things old real fast... (You know where Im going with this?) But...MANDATORY EVs will somehow be worse for them? You are selling a scenario but I aint buying it...

problem is...these folk have NO cars anyway...I dont see any in these pics. Do you? I dont see Chevys in the driveway. And if there is a Chevy in a driveway..its a POS car. Old. Rundown. You mean to tell me that Electric cars sold today wont be old, cheap, rundown 20 years from now? The way the poor person gets by with a rundown ICE shytbox, with bald tires on 4 different rims, water in the radiator, duct tape as windows and pimping for gas money will be doing the same with an old rundown EV shytbox down the road... There are plenty of used Teslas now on the market. 10 years from now, they will be the equivalent of what Axel Foley drove in the first Beverly Hills Cop. 1969 Chevy in 1984 Or the Ecto-One BEFORE it was the Ecto-ONE 1959 caddy in 1984 Or Uncle Bucks Mercury mid 1970s in 1988? 15 year old jalopies. The Caddy 25 years old... A Tesla Model 3 in 2020 will be 15 years old in 2035 where a very possible ban on ICE could take place in Detroit, or NYC or wherever the Unlce Buck movie took place...

You know that is not how it works... New tech is expensive. Old world greedy oil will NEVER allow for fair market practice. (you see it in Michigan where Tesla is BANNED from selling its cars sans dealership...) (Ironic we are talking about bans...)

Too soon for this to happen in 5 years. But it IS happening. Ill repeat, no matter how much head banging, crying, denying we do in 2020, ICE bans in city centers is a real thing. By the end of this decade, the planning and execution of city center ICE bans will be announced for the next decade. (2030s) The poor cant afford food....and ESPECIALLY in the US...ya'll say phoqu'em anyway. So you are worried about the poor affording EVs? The poor have had NO compassion in the US since at least from the late 1960s...and every decade since then, the poor have gotten the shaft worse and worse and you worry what the poor will be driving? The poor have gotten shyttier jobs with even shyttier paychecks decade after decade and now with minimum wage wars where the political divide got to decide who was the President last elections (MAGA and Bring back the jobs and all that, to which the Donald did nothing to help BUT to divide even more, and especially its allies, Canada) and you are worried about single mothers driving ratty old Corollas in an EV world? Where even some of the poor in the US dont want minimum wage jobs and would rather sit home and worse, when some US folk dont want minimum wage to go up as THAT hurts corporation profits? When most in the US do NOT want unions... Unions PROTECT the worker. But most US folk see unions as a bad thing for...corporations? Corporations that WILLINGLY left the US for slave work in other countries? Where most poor, but not so poor, would rather buy take-out food, on a CREDIT card, get it delivered by UBER (all unnecessary fees and expenses) than to live life a tad more restrained? (hence my ratty 19 year old Cadillac Lyriq comment comes in, because THAT is a very real thing in the US and Canada) Its NOT the wide-eyed EV folk that wish ill on the poor. The wide eyed EV folk want a better planet to live in. Maybe a tad naive on their part, but your argument is NOT with the wide-eyed EV folk here. Its the shytty politicians and corporate vultures that have waged a war on the poor. Since a loooong time ago. The politicians that want ICE bans from city centers maybe gullible and might miss some critical details here and there, please dont make this into a poor people pity fest and make it seem like the EV revolution is all evil-like. The evil-like aura we have and the wage on poor people is the corporate way of life we choose to live by and have been doing so since the 1960s... and maybe the EV thing is a part of it, but its part of the cycle. A cycle that was put in place a long time ago. Greedy capitalism... And one could argue that this EV eutopia is nothing but a greedy capitalism thing, but no different than the dirty oil greed... We could scream and shout. ICE WILL be banned and automakers from NOW, are complying with that future... Its really not up to the consumer. The fate for ICE has been sealed. Whether you like it or not.

That yellow car would be nice as a Dodge Neon. With a modded 4 banger...Neon SRT4 has a nice familiar ring to it. And if Stellantis wants an EV/Hybrid version for it, especially as a Dodge...Neon cant be any better for a name.

As a side note... I just got the reference. Im ashamed of myself...'cause Im supposedly such a Star Wars geek and nerd.

Another WWF reference Roddy Piper

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I meant to say Charger. THIS is where the Challenger comes in...as in Id rather a Challenger than this. Great render though. A Giulia coupe/GTV looking like that is hot nonetheless.

Because its a fact. It IS happening. No mattter how much kicking, screaming and denying we do. Its inevitable.

I wonder those that still hate GM, will they be intrigued to buy a Peugeot? Very telling if they do...

But it is... Its in proposal phase now. Those illogical planners are trying hard to find a (il)logical solution. Hey, I am not down with that idea myself, the banning ICE part, but I know its gonna happen. And yes, it will be very hard to conform to it. But we as citizens of the planet wont have a choice. And THAT is the bottom line. I aint against EVs though, so Im not gonna be pissed about it too much, nor will I be hindered by an ICE ban. I get your argument. And I will feel something for those that wont be able to comply right away. But such as life.