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@ccap41 yes I did. I also stopped with the plastic coffee stir sticks and use wooden ones. All my other stuff is recycled paper containers. The only thing left are the lids. Coffee and sodey pop lids remain plastic. There are no viable alternatives to those just yet. I think as Im not aware of any products that could replace those. But Im sure there will be people that will bitch that my containers are one shot deals as well as there are other fast food joints that use re-usable containers. Kinda like bring your own containers type deal. We dont do that. And yes....Ive had people compliment me for the papers straws for "saving the planet" as much as I had people bitch about them that the sodey pop tastes different and that the taste is shyte. Others bitch because the paper straws dissolve waaaay too quick... We switched to paper straws for two reasons. 1. Yes...its good to do some sort of tree huggin' actions once in awhile. Every little thing helps... 2. I think its Quebec Law to reduce plastics and I think there is a ban for plastic straws that will come in effect sometime soon. If it hasnt been enacted already...

I already have brother... its you that chooses to ignore. PS: you ask the wrong questions...

I think you answered your own question...in the same post I might add... PS: "solely by man"...may be your ticket out... But MY discussion was never about "solely by man"... It is about a growing human population that ICE may not be a good way to travel anymore. Possible electric motorvation may be a viable alternative. Lets discuss that....I said... It lead to climate change...which ICE and carbon monoxide is HUGELY a factor of air pollution...hence the human population growth argument where more and more people will have more access to ICE and hence even MORE carbon monoxide in our atmosphere...which I say that sure! YEAH! Human activity DOES INFLUENCE climate change... I also say that there is a NATURAL course of climate change...but humans DO influence it NEGATIVELY... So I guess, we are talking past each other... Here...more pics.. 1 milllion years ago on planet earth Sulfur and carbon dioxide and all kinds of other gases. Heats up the earth. Cools it down to extreme also with ash fallouts causing ice ages... Today...we dont have volcanoes that erupt on mass extinction levels on almost a daily occurence... But...we have this mess... Oil fires Industry car pollution...stuck in traffic going nowhere real fast... Almost the same phoquing thing...aint it? KEEP IN MIND WE DO NOT HAVE VOLCANOES ERUPTING TO THE MAGNITUDE AND FREQUENCY OF THE ANCIENT ANCIENT TIMES...to support the million years ago argument... PSS: STILL no Data or links or proof to support your side of the discussion. Just words trying to find some sort of fallacy to discredit on. Trying to find a "gotcha" statement. "AHA! 2016 was supposed to be the end of the earth...but we are still here. " Yet this "gotcha" moment does NOT address the fact that..well...pollution is killing us...no matter what AL Gore said about 2016...

Therefore... BECAUSE the time was wrong and more or less a scare tactic of when Earth will cease to be able to sustain HUMAN life (because we really arent killing the planet, we are killing ourselves)...then humans are NOT on the road to ruin causing our OWN distinction therefore we shall continue our destructive ways? Unless of course you dont think the way we do things now are NOT destructive... And...BECAUSE the time was wrong and more or less a scare tactic of when Earth will cease to be able to sustain HUMAN life..then we should do NOTHING about it. Because the time was wrong and more or less a scare tactic that means that day will NEVER come? BECAUSE the time was wrong and more or less a scare tactic of when the Earth will cease to be able to sustain HUMAN life, that means that ONLY big fat asteroids cause cataclysmic extinctions? Read only the bolded parts... I dont really care what Al Gore, President Trump, Greta Thorwhatverhernameis, big Oil, Sesame Street say about climate change. I see for myself what humans do to the planet. Im educated enough, saavy enough to look for scientific evidence to see what humans do to the planet and I put two and two together. Ill tell you about Al Gore... He once said that he built a 3000 square foot house (or whatever square footage it was...but it was a huge house...bigger than the average American home) with "ecological friendly materials with eco friendly energy usage that compares to homes of 1600 square feet with conventional and the norm... If he truly was a tree huggin' greenie, he would have built a 1600 square foot home, because a TRUE earth lovin' human does NOT need more than that really, especially when he built that home when his kids were almost out of the house...so that his eco friendly 1600 square foot home could have a foot print that eqauls a bloody hut... So yeah... I understand what you are saying... But NO!!! JUST because fraudulent people make false claims on BOTH sides does NOT mean that human activity does NOT influence the climate.... THAT would be YOUR argument's flaw...not mine.

The science is wrong? Should I post those pollution pics again? Doesnt take a scientist to tell us that pollution is...bad. How many news reports state that carbon monoxide killed another poor soul because the car was runnin' and not sufficient ventilation... That stuff goes in to the earth's atmosphere, non? You wanna say that there is no cause and effect... Really? Then there is the science part. The real deal science behind it. https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/global-maps/MOP_CO_M https://www.conserve-energy-future.com/smogpollution.php https://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/storms/trees-affect-weather1.htm No climate change due to human activity, huh? All links by pseudo scientists bought by corrupt politicians, right? Nothing real or logical in those three links I posted and what Im about to summarize, right? Carbon monoxide released by the cars we drive (keeping in mind my the post I made yesterday about human population growing exponentially to 10 billion souls by 2050 and why ICE may not be an answer for our future) Although carbon monoxide does NOT cause the climate to warm up directly...it does inhibit plant growth and trees and stuff... and it kills living things INCLUDING plants and trees and stuff...through the phenomenon called smog slow growth of trees or downright death of them...which smog is a factor of, trees affect our climate. So yeah...human activity is no way influencing the climate in any way... Notice I kept it to ONLY automobiles... We deforest trees. We pollute our oceans. Im sure the plastics we throw into our oceans also have an effect, direct or indirect , affecting living things that affect the climate...and so forth and so forth... Now...Ive shown "proof" of some sort of MY thought process. Pictures to prove that there is human activity and pollution going on... Ive posted links to "educated" sites...I guess...maybe these are paid organizations to fool us...who knows? To show cause and effect... Now...where is the data on your side to contradict this? Words to the effect of "I dont believe you" ...aint gonna cut it... The millions of years argument...aint gonna cut it either...

Therefore... BECAUSE the time was wrong and more or less a scare tactic of when Earth will cease to be able to sustain HUMAN life (because we really arent killing the planet, we are killing ourselves)...then humans are NOT on the road to ruin causing our OWN distinction therefore we shall continue our destructive ways? Unless of course you dont think the way we do things now are NOT destructive... And...BECAUSE the time was wrong and more or less a scare tactic of when Earth will cease to be able to sustain HUMAN life..then we should do NOTHING about it. Because the time was wrong and more or less a scare tactic that means that day will NEVER come? BECAUSE the time was wrong and more or less a scare tactic of when the Earth will cease to be able to sustain HUMAN life, that means that ONLY big fat asteroids cause cataclysmic extinctions?

What's disingenuous about it? That ICE engines pollute and the other side completely ignores it... Using "dont try to change me" arguments while mocking? Which falls into the climate change argument while saying that the earth existed millions of years with climate change without the help of humans...and is simply just how the WORLD TURNS...while TRUE... BUT IGNORING what HUMANS have done to the earth for the last 10 000 years...but especially what WE did to it the last 150 years... (The one above is simply to say that humans SHAPE and CHANGE nature and its surrounding to humans' needs...no other living thing before and during human existence SHAPES AND CHANGES ITS SURROUNDINGS...WE are the ONLY living things to do that. Even trees. The roots just go through anything...even tough man made materials, the roots find a way...but the roots NEVER shape the environment...like humans do) IGNORING ALL THAT SHYTE while HAVING THE AUDICITY to SAY THAT HUMANS DONT HAVE A PHOQUING IMPACT ON THE EARTH???!!! AND if THAT aint enough....WE HAVE STARTED TO POLLUTE SPACE...the upper upper of Earth's atmosphere... C'MON MAN???!!! To think that WE DONT CAUSE SOME CLIMATE CHANGE is to be TRULY ignorant...

yes exactly... The world has been in existence for millions of years... I believe that amoebas drove Mopars up and down Lava Alley burning rubber all the way baby!!! Then when the earth froze...they were snowmobilin' their frozen little hearts out...

BS? Enlighten me, buddy. Show me how wrong I am. I AM BEGGING YOU!!! Ive asked you THREE TIMES NOW TO TEACH ME!!! All Ive got from you are just nay sayer words... No proof of how wrong I am. No proof of where your reality comes from....show me how wrong I am! SHOW ME. SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

Plant a tree... What is the point? Selfish shytes much like yourself just dont care.... Selfish shytes much like yourself whine why some fast food joints stopped serving plastic straws and went to paper ones to save the planet. Selfish shytes much like yourself just say that are oceans are NOT polluted with plastics even though ignorant idiots much like myself show you proof. Selfish shytes much like yourself whine and say shyte like "dont try to change me". Selfish shytes much like yourself cry #fakenews and bitch about how you you always drank your sodey pop with a plastic straws and how its not America's problem. China pollutes waaaay worse than we do... Plant a tree? What is the point? Selfish shytes much like yourself dont believe in climate change... Selfish shytes much like yourself just blame scientists that are bought by corrupt politicians for carbon credits. Selfish shytes much like yourself just ignore YOUR scientific scientists that are bought by the corporate world. Selfish shytes much like yourself cant see the irony in all that. Selfish shytes much like yourself dont even use your own eyes to see what is what... Id say...stop kidding yourself, buddy... Me? Im alright, thank-you very much. You? Im sorry. Im truly sorry...

If one group (Group A) has an opinion that is more or less factual...say...internal combustion engines cause air pollution and there has to be a better solution type solution...and electric vehicles are THAT solution, and the other group (Group B)opposes that solution by finding all kinds of problems...real AND imagined...well...Group B could call Group A ignorant and stupid, if they choose to, and they be right...in their own minds mind you, that does NOT mean that Group B's opinion is correct. That also does NOT mean that Group A is wrong either... Group A's solution might NOT be the best solution, BUT it IS A solution. Group B's solution might be to do NOTHING. Which aint much of a solution... Ignoring the current problems the way we have ALWAYS done them is NOT a way. Finding problems with a possible solution while IGNORING the status quo, in my opinion, is more of an ignorant and stupid way of living then trying to change... If humans change to one solution, and find out 50 years later that it wasnt a great idea, or 50 years later, there is a better solution, to me, THAT is more smart. Continuing on a road to ruin, JUST BECAUSE...seems kinda dumb. The thing is...what bias do we have while we argue against EVs? 1. DO WE ACTUALLY BELIEVE that internal combustion engines are bad for the environment and going forward with them is suicide? 2. Are we SELFISH and we just PRETEND that internal combustion engines are safe for the environment and therefore we use strawman arguments and petty shyte to denounce change? I think MOST Americans are NOT dumb. They KNOW the dangers... I think MOST Americans and American culture as of late is more of a SELFISH thing and just DONT care. I think that kind of selfish mentality is even MORE dangerous for a society that an ignorant one.

Made up problem? YOU ACCUSE ME OF NOT KNOWING WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT, YET HERE YOU ARE, WITHOUT ANY SCIENTIFIC PROOF...EIITHER, STATING THAT CARS DO NOT POLLUTE. Nah...that is just you having an uninformed opinion. An opinion NOT based on facts or truths. But piss poor judgement. In any case. THIS is why DISCOURSE is good. TEACH me. LETS DISCUSS. But nope. You are the one to be closed minded. Open yourself up to me. Well...YOU are the one that wants to CHANGE me. With the ironic and moronic way of crying and whining WITHOUT discussing but WHINING and CRYING about it of how I wanna change you. Well...CHANGE me. TEACH me. SHOW me how wrong I am. No! NOT by telling me others are continuing to do what they have always done. (I GOT REBUTTALS FOR EVERY NONSENSICAL SHYT YOU ARE YOUR ILK SPEW.) But DISCUSS with me the HOW with TRUTH and NOT with SELFISH reasons.... This is the hypocrisy of YOUR kind and ILK. YOU and YOUR ILK spew that line like a horny John on a hooker's face. But I know why you dont wanna discuss things. You dont have a leg to stay on. Your first sentence... tells me all I need to know. My dad once told me to never argue and discuss things with ignorant people. Its best you argue with a wall... Ever hear THAT cliche Blu? But you are NOT ignorant. Just selfish. PS: I aint tryna change you. The thing is, YOU dont want ANYBODY else to change the way we do things on planet earth. YOU want the status quo...and THAT in effect means YOU want to change the other billions of folk that want to change NOT to change.

So...are we gonna discuss why the internal combustion engine is no longer a solution for the planet's growing population and the need for mobility or are we gonna try to deflect and look for problems in the questions I pose? Because an argument or discussion and finding solutions is NOT about looking to discredit the QUESTION being asked...but interesting ideas come about and possible solutions are made by actual discourse.

Talking about cars, engines and the crap that cars spew. Not about humans. Point being... More humans on the planet...especially in the industrialized areas having jobs and therefore money to consume. To consume cars. Point being, more areas of our planet are being "developed". Developped to consume. From being 3rd world and no industry to speak of, to becoming 1st world and therefore "civilized" to be able to become consumers in buying that brand new shiny red car. And we capitalists ( in the automotive context) are making sure every bloody one of us has a job and credit to buy or lease a brand new shiny red vehicle to get us from point A to point B and since our population is growing, especially in these new industrialized worlds, (yes, I understand that in the US and Canada we are experiencing low birth rates, but we are accepting more and more immigrants from Trump's own words, the shythole countries, and those countries seem to be the ones growing the most, anyways, you get the idea because I just know someone will try to deflect...from the fact that there are more and more humans all across the planet that have the resources to buy brand new shiny red cars... Point being, the population is growing at a very high rate, as now, we are at a stage of our population growth rate that multiplies in compound numbers just BECAUSE of the sheer size of our population... Point being, BECAUSE of the sheer size of our population, the ownership of vehicles will also grow comparably,...relatively speaking...and THAT is where my point is being made...

@ ANYBODY that wants to discuss this. But it is directed towards @ocnblu if he feels like discussing this. Yeah...it was either a downvote or a laughy thingy... MAYBE YOU THINK THIS POST WILL BE LONG... BUT LETS DISCUSS... IT IS AN AUTOMOTIVE FORUM AFTER ALL... UNLESS OF COURSE YOU WANNA TREAT THIS FORUM LIKE THE SUNDAY FUNNIES... But I wanna know why you feel like laughing when in fact...air pollution is a real phoquing problem on our planet... We are 7 billion plus humans and by 2050...its projected we will be 10 billion. I mean...in 1985 there was 4.5 billion or so souls around. In 1960 3 billion and in 1970 3.7 billion. We have doubled our population from the height of the muscle car era. Serious talk now... Dont laugh. Because you are so against EVs and the government forcing us to buy them...but you NEVER seem to wanna discuss it. This is real serious shyte... Los Angeles air was unbreathable several times a year then and it got worse and then CAFE came about and I KNOW you are against that too...but Los Angeles air is better today? Maybe? Because I really dont how you feels about Los Angeles air pollution then and now. Are you in denial it was bad for LA then but its better now? What is it that bothers you about this whole thing? You laugh at us for it or you downvote, but you never seem to discuss it. Cars then were huge and got huge-ier. Engines in 1970 in the North America were just about at the peak of horsepower and torque and got the shyttiest of gas mileage coupled with even shyttier exhaust pollution. Do you deny that also? Where Im going with this. Beijing today is where Los Angeles was. The 3rd world that was then is starting to become the 1st world today. Do you deny that Europe was not economically sound in the 1970s? Asia? Do you deny that these places today enjoy the same economic success that we had in North America in the 1970s? Imagine what shape the planet would be in today if the whole damned planet drove the behemoths that we had during the 1960s and early 1970s (BEFORE the government took our fun away)? Do you deny that the planet would be in a very shytty place today had it NOT been for all that catalytic converter stuff and downsizng of our engines and cars? Yes the party was over and the fun continues to be sucked right out... But you deny that we need to change? What is YOUR solution? Because quite honestly...in a short while...we will be 8 billion people. And yes...we will continue using gasoline and oil for other stuff...but...at least...can we NOT use it for our daily needs for transportation? I mean...is it soooooo phoquing horrible to wean off of gasoline for our daily driven vehicles? Old car batteries could be recycled in usage for powering our commercial industries when they are no longer viable for cars. That kind of thinking could ease off the power grid. Yes. Yes. Recharging the cars will obviously put pressure on the power grid. Ill ask you this.... Aint America about INNOVATION? When Trump says Make America Great Again, in what way did he mean it as and how did his voters interpret it? Because if you tell me that batteries are not gonna work or batteries are pollutants as well... Well... STOP WITH THE BULSHYTE ARGUMENTS and START INNOVATING? (yes question mark because some Americans have become too phoquing complacent in their big fat ass (literally|) ways and just whine and bitch but do NOTHING about it...but also bitch about how good the good 'ole days were) The thing is...this is the way the PLANET wants it to be. There are some that DONT want change but others want change. PHOQUE IT!!! FIND PHOQUING SOLUTIONS!!! Because the internal combustion engine is NOT the solution for the next 100 years!!! Whether you want to believe it or not!!! Whether you like it or not, It WAS the solution 100 years ago. The planet is no longer where it was a decade ago, let alone 100 years ago...

However...the guvment DOES tell homosexuals that they cant marry. Forget about a religious marriage...that is a different discussion... Im talking about a legal government document that does not recognize same sex unions... The thing is...Blu.. and you could downvote because that is what you will do... POLLUTION You could try to make a case for batteries being bad for the environment... BUT... Ive said this before...keep an internal combustion engine car running without proper ventilation and see how long you will live. Now...with proper ventilation...where does that shyte go? In the atmosphere, right? Well....BECAUSE of DENIAL with the internal combustion engine being bad for the air that we breath...and every other living thing on this planet...governments are FORCING us to change our habits because WE will NOT do it WILLFULLY. If you give me the money argument... Ill just tell you there is NO amount of money in ANY universe, real or imagined, that puts a value on the damned planet we ALL live in!!! If you cant see that...Im sorry.

That '57 Chevy pic. Just Mother Nature reclaiming what is rightfully hers. Sad for the Chevy. Great for the tree! That FWD truck and chapel pic. Somehow, Dean Martin came to my mind.

I saw a similar Nissan today. White with a similar stripe. It didnt say Micra on it, just a solid black stripe with a smaller red one alongside it. It even had the same red side mirrors. It looked good that I took two glances to see it well. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ I dont mind clone versions of top level muscle cars or any model car for that matter. Sometimes, the top trim level of a model looks better than the lesser model so he/she who wants to put all his/her time and money on HIS/HER build, its HIS/HER money and HIS/HER time and effort so they could do the hell they want with THEIR project car. Especially as more and more numbers matching classics are becoming more and more rarer, and when one restores a classic with new vintage parts as the old original parts are so far gone with rust or impossible to repair dents and when the old big block is tired and rebuilding may not be a viable economical answer and engine swapping is necessary. I got a problem with a clone version being sold to someone on the premise that its an original. THAT would be FRAUD. If the seller states that its a clone, then Im all good. Sometimes though, to be more different, the lesser trim model looks to be more unique as most project cars all go fopr that same cloned look. I absolutely LOVE the 1969 GTO especially in The Judge clothing...but...BECAUSE there are SOOOOOO many The Judge clones out there, that burgundy LeMans is truly the most interesting between the two.

The one on top reminds me of this tune I love classic rock-n-roll and rockabilly!!!

Meant to write regular Charger Hellcat... Im planning something similar for the wife and I for when we both reach that age as well.

I did the Montreal autoshow sooooo quickly this year. In and out in a record 40 minutes. Saw the new C8 Vette. There were three. A coupe on a rotating thing center stage showcased for Chevrolet. A roadster and a Targa coupe on the floor. We couldnt get to sit inside them. We couldnt even touch them as there were ropes around each. I did stay there a few minutes gawking... Went to Cadillac. Saw the CT4-V and CT5-V. sat inside those. I loved both. Ferrari. There was a Superfast 812, a 458 Pista of some sort and the other Ferrari I forgot what model it was. Like I dont remember what it was. Anyway. I stayed there a few minutes as well as I was mesmerized by all three. All three with that fiery Ferrari red colour. Lamborghini had several models. Nothing that caught my eye as Ive seen them before with previous shows I have attended. McLaren had several models too. Including the new GT thingy. Saw the GT one quickly. It was OK. I prefer the Vette and Ferraris over the GT McLaren. Ove ANY McLaren really. Awesome machines. Boring exteriors. The Ford GT500 was there. Like the Vette C8, there was a rope around it. I was surprised that I like it. In pictures, I dont like the front fascia. In person its GORGEOUS!!! Both Hellcats were there. One Challenger Red Eye wide body and one Challenger regular Hellcat. sat in the Red Eye for a few minutes. I took my time looking at the NSX. Love the NSX too. And...that was it! By passed BMW. By passed Mercedes, Audi, Buick...every other car maker seemed like a waste of time for me... Even Aston Martin I by passed. THAT was a shocker to me as I ALWAYS stare at those for a few minutes...

Exactly THAT myself!!!

I got a bipolar relationship with both sand and snow. I dont dislike sand, but I dont like it either. Yes. It IS course and rough and irritating and it DOES get everywhere. But I could live with it EASILY on a beach. I prefer a pebbly beach but you dont have to twist my arms for me to enjoy a nice sandy beach. I may not like blowing sand in Arizona. Especially sandblasting it on my car. I HATE snow. I HATE the freezing weather even more. I LOVE a good 1 foot plus snow storm from time to time. I HATE shoveling it. I LOVE a good snowball fight. I LOVE skiing. I HATE brushing it off my car. I LOVE maple syrup on snow when we go to la cabane a sucre. . I HATE slush in the springtime.