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This post was about the EV1. I always hate this argument. And this argument is what the greenies always complain about and hate GM for killing the EV1. But lets be honest about this whole EV thing, especially in the 1990s... THERE WAS NO EV MARKET in the 1990s. The people that lined up to lease these were the ONLY people that wanted them. You cant expect a company like GM, who we all know at that time, had many other brands to juggle around, couldnt justify bleeding money on these. AND...the battery technology and range to sells these as daily drivers so people will NOT have range anxiety was not available yet. We barely just succeeded with the battery tech and range in 2019 and into 2020 so range anxiety is alleviated... We, in 2020, STILL do not have the charger infrastructure in place to market EVs properly...yet we diss GM for canceling the EV1 so early... The urban car for the urban environment (Chevy Trax type car) was not a concept yet. In the 1990s, this was not a thing just yet. Therefore selling an EV this way, just like the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt and Volt are sold today, would be a HARD sell with the EV1 in the 1990s... The long game for GM and everybody else in the 1990s was and continues to be CUVs and SUVs... The EV1 was a great introduction to tell the world what could be with EVs. In reality, it took another 15 years to viably sell them to the world..(Tesla Model S). And even then, other than Tesla cars, its STILL a hard sell... Yet why are we CONSTANTLY attacking GM for killing the EV1? The market killed the EV1 whether we want to admit it or not. Plus...the EV1 was too ahead of its time. The technology is barely here today 25 years later to actually viably sell EVs to the mass market, and GM is a mass market automaker... Tesla would be the BEST thing that has happened to the EV world to viably sell EVs to the public. GM was tooooo big to do so succesfully back then...

Awesome that you train with your son!!! Ummmmm...like most things in today's western pop culture...things got to a start in the awesome 1980s!!! (with martial arts...a spark from the late 1960s and 1970s perhaps?) And into the 1990s... Today's UFC does not resemble what was once a 1980s/1990s movie fantasy, but yeah!!! Sorry that I derailed the thread. NOT!!!

That is God awful ugly. Swear words (as in...that is phoquing ugly) wont do justice in expressing how ugly that is. Id rather be seen in the ugliness of European luxury CUV/SUVs than this horrific thing. (high end badging and posh interiors aside)

Touché, pushee catte. But then...there is that... But then again, Hyundai could have at least done their own spin on things...its not as if the Malibu is at the top of the sales charts in their segment. The Camry, Accord and Fusion are on top and all three more or less have there own style going on. (loosely and arguably...) Nissan...Nissan is doing there own thing also with the Maxima/Altima and the Sentra (which now looks like a smaller version of the Maxima) which I like better than what Hyundai has done with the Sonata. I may be the only one to think that...and I understand what Ive just said as Nissan I believe sells even less than what Chevy sells with the Impala and Malibu. I dont expect Hyundai to reinvent the segment, but at least TRY to be original. ç Horrific front end or not, that gen Sonata launched Hyundai in this segment as a true player. It also started the 4 door coupe styling for family cars. OK...it might have helped to kill off the segment too by unsuspectingly leading more people into buying CUVs, but at least it was original FORCING Ford, GM, Honda, Toyota to copy THAT very style. 2 generations and 7 years later, for the Sonata, and Hyundai seems lost in what styling they need to go with the Sonata. The gen in between was boring, stale. This new gen has more elegant styling flair, but too bad it closely resembles a dying GM design...

I like...umm... the smaht pahk commercial??? The C Pillar and profile is toooooo much like the Chevy Malibu for me to give a shyte about the Sonata. The whole damned car just looks like it could be a possible badged version of a Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buick... I wouldnt have minded the Sonata if it WERE a GM badge engineered version of the Malibu branded as a Pontiac/Olds/Buick. It is as good looking as that Malibu is. (Or had it been 100% Hyundai's design efforts). Which is not bad actually as far as medium sized family haulers go. But to blatantly mimic a design that is 5 years old already that is also being suggested that GM will kill off the Malibu just seems to be lazy design work for Hyundai. And NOT acceptable.

Wolves...that was a theme yesterday so...today I got wolves on my mind today. My first Ozzy song Ive ever heard. I was but a young boy. My best friend's older brother was a huge Ozzy fan. I remember how excited he was when he got this album back in the day. I was just as excited when I was gifted Twisted Sister's Stay Hungry at about the same time frame. And of course Duran squared Ive had fond memories with this song. Ive attended many house and aprés ski parties in the 1990s and for whatever reason, this song was a staple in ALL of them. Great party song! And when I typed Bark at the Moon on youtube, this song came up as a suggestion. Nothing to do with wolves, but it is the only song I like from Iron Maiden. But then again, I never gave Iron Maiden a chance in the 1980s. Maybe its time for me to discover them???!!! Great guitar work. Great drums. Great vocals. I wonder what was wrong with me then for not liking Iron Maiden?

I spent 4 minutes listening to that. Chilling indeed. Im hugging my Big Bad Bruins blanky for comfort. Makes me feel...safe. But now...a new thought pops into my head: You better not let him in. Little old lady got mutilated late last night. Werewolves of London again. Aaahwooooo!!! Werewolves of London! You better stay away from him he'll rip your lungs out Jim! Id like to meet his tailor. His hair was perfect. Aaahwooooo!!!! Werewolves of London. Aaahwooooooooooooooo!!!

I forgot about this little Japanese company. https://www.mitsuoka-motor.com/global/lineup/new/rock-star/ The car model in question is sold out. Only 50 were built, I guess from 2018 to today. What is it? A current gen Mazda MX5 re-engineered and remodelled to look like a C2 Corvette called the Rock Star. I think it looks BETTER than the C2 Corvette itself. (Maybe Im exagerating...but it is gorgeous!!!) So Id probably nix the Lexus LC 500 for one of these babies instead!!! Except Id opt for a LHD version....and maybe get an Abarth Fiat 124 engine and transmission in it. with these wheels!!!

I was putzing around 2-3 years ago trying to find American or European companies similar to Singer (Porsche) or Factory Five Racing and https://www.davidbrownautomotive.com company showed up in my rabbit hole internet surfing. I was smitten right away since I love Aston Martin cars. Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Corvette, Ferrari and Aston Martin are the automove brands I identify with the most. (modern lingo entering my speech patterns ) Seeing this company does a modern twist on a DB5 and if I was a 1%er, this car would be part of my daily routine!!! The engine is a Jag 5.0 V8 supercharged. The Silverstone Edition (601 HP & 565 ft/lbs) , the one I posted, has more HP and Torque than the regular Speedback (503 HP & 461 ft/lbs) I do know that this engine was used in the Lincoln LS but I do not know if this engine is related to the 4.6 DOHC and/or the Coyote from Ford. Its a fine engine...but I would want either a Coyote under the hood with power upgrades to match the Silverstone Edition's or a, you guessed it...a LS/LT Chevy Small block swap. Especially the Chevy knowing that it WILL fit under the hood. Id try to get naturally aspirated horses outta either engine swaps because supercharger whine does not befit a posh, English grand touring car. Supercharger whine maybe vulgar to some stiff upper lip stiffs Id be hanging around with...

?? David Brown Speedback GT ?? Lexus LC 500 ?? Alpine A110 (Its a special Alpine A110...its a supercharged V8 front engine RWD version with MOPAR body panels) ?? BMW M8 (Yes...I know...I HATE BMWs!!! I saw one during the holidays in the movie theatre complex parking lot when we saw the Rise of Skywalker...it is a gorgeous car in person) ?? Cadillac CT6-V

Cadillac has been waning off Arts & Science for awhile now. And hence the dismissal of vertical headlights and lack of a coherent C Pillar design across its line-up. And I think I found what is troubling for me with the Escalade and Cadillac's models in general as of late. (The last 2 year models at least) The lack of a DEFINITION of design language going forward. There seems not to have a plan in place for a new styling direction... The plan seems to be just to wane off Arts & Science and that is it... They got the general Escala look and they try to mimic that all across the board while retating some Arts & Science elements, but softening up the Art & Science look at the same time. It kinda works. It kinda doesnt. Yup...like Star Wars with the sequal trilogy. No clear path moving forward. LOL

About the independent rear suspension... True that it ousold the Gator. But that was when the Gator was still the same Gator way back when it was rotting on the vine. Also...the GLS has gotten bigger and the X7 has been introduced. If it wasnt broken then, it has potential to be broken now...independent suspension is a must for 2021. Im OK with you not liking these horizontal headlights. Im just not sharing your POV about them.

Shyte dude! I hate these kinds of discussions. I havent looked at the sales figs. Nor do I care. But...the Escalade is an outgoing model. The GLS and X7 are brand spanking new. The fanboys of M-B and BMW are gobbling these up. And when the fanboys get there fill...these will drop off DRAMATICALLY! The Escalade has a BIGGER following... Get where Im going with this? Not really. One could say that stacked lights are becoming stale, boring. One minor facial change does not bring down the franchise... It changed one major detail with independent rear suspension. I think that one change offsets the vertical headlights change...enough for folk not to give a shyte. The grille still says big ass Cadillac!

@smk4565 You are right. My bad. The Touareg looks CONSIDERABLY different. The 1st gen though not so much.. BUT BUT SHYTE...the Porsche that costs a lot of $$$ has a lesser brand and model that looks kinda like it... NOT GOOD ANY WHICH WAY YOU SLICE IT!!!

Yeah! So why are we complaing then? Ill take @Robert Hall post about the panels and GM not wanting to go the extra mile to differentiaite the Slade over the other 2 more at heart...because its true. But Im guessing GM is saying if it aint broke, dont fix it. And GM has the right to think that way since FoMoCo didnt really differentiate the Gator over the Excursion all that much either. And the Gator is the main competitor for the Slade... Until real competition heats up with the Germans...then the Slade will CONTINUE to BE what it has ALWAYS been!!!

Im on the same page as you. The front doesnt bother me. The C Pillar trim DOES bother me. And yes...the 2021 'Slade is missing something. Its missing a certain trait that I cant put my finger on it, but overall, its a nice Escalade design.

Ummmmm No! The Cayenne looks like the Toureg that looks like the Bentaya... The Bentley has taken a more portly and bloated approach...like how women were desired in the 17th and 18th centuries. But the profile remains the same We think in our minds that VW does it better...but they dont

What if Cadillac designers wanted to do away with stacked/vertical headlights? Maybe it was for safety that this changed happened like it was mentioned before? It dont matter... Looks are subjective...and it does look like an XT6...and the XT6 is plain and boring looking Ill admit, but no more than what the segment offers...but on the Escalade, it works better, to my eyes at least. But...even that does not matter. The 2021 Escalade looks the part of a top dog, big and brutish luxury SUV. One that continues the Escalade lineage without missing a beat. Playing it safe a tad? Sure! But I didnt know that the Escalade had to change drastically to appease the fanbade... Or are we gonna take a page right out of Star Wars and cry "this is not the Cadillac Escalade that I know. This is NOT my Escalade!"

Oh boy... I dont think its fair to hold the Escalade SWB or ESV to such scrutiny as to say it shares too much profile with its Chevy and GMC counterparts. I dont feel like posting pics but... As you could see...SUVs dont change in profile all that much. That there vehicle is a late '60s 'Burban. That there C Pillar is slanted. Yeah...like how the new gen is gonna be. Other later years its straight. It dont matter...overall this has been the shape of GM's fullsized BOF SUVs. And Ford's too. And strangely enough...Dodge's too... This is what Americans want. We change the formula, and we get the Last Jedi... All kinds of backlash. OK...since the Escalade is just part of a trio...why wouldnt it look the same as the other two? IT SHOULD SHARE THE SAME PROFILE!!! ALSO...the MARKET dictates that it SHOULD share the same profile as its siblings Lets be honest...BMW is fairly new to this big SUV game (X7). The X5 is also new and BMW went with a soft round look. The Navigator, Escalade, Hummer, Bronco, Excursion, Tahoe, Yukon, Suburban...all American SUVs...are boxes...and that is what is required as per what the market suggests. Mercedes Benz SUV icon, the military one...is a box... Therefore...we just bitchin' just for bitchin's sake. Funny..SUVs from FoMoCo are identical to one another...yet no bitchin' And what I was saying in that American SUVs adopt this shape And I thought I wasnt gonna post pics... PS: The Europeans take a different route...but I aint gonna post pics of those on the account that Im gonna sleep now and I dont want any nightmares... (Theyre ugly is what I saying) Or do you folk prefer that the Escalade becomes more rounded and bloated like a Merc GL/BMW X7 or worse...like a Tesla Model X but bigger. Or the unthinkable..like a Cybertruck... the equivalent of Luke milking that walrus space cow drinking that blue/green milk... Palpatine returning doesnt seem all that bad now...does it? PS: Ive enjoyed the sequal trilogy. Episode 8 the most.

Right on both accounts!

Ive read all the replies regarding this new Escalade. Ive come to a conclusion. Seems to me this new Escalade is a lot like the Star Wars Rise of Skywalker flick... Where it should have taken a certain other path, it decided to take a safe approach as to not destabilize the target marget too much and the changes that were made were not pleasing to another certain fanbase. Oh well...the movie surpassed the billion dollar mark and this new 'Slade will sell in great numbers regardless because the weak points of the older generations were improved greatly (interior) and it retained the elements that make an Escalade an Escalade. Just like in Rise of Skywalker. Boring and safe storyline...its still an undeniable Star Wars flick...

This Escalade really doesnt look all that different from the outgoing one...on the outside The C Pillar on this one is chromed...and it has a slight up rising kink to it as opposed to body colour on the out-going model. The headlights are this new 'Slade are not stacked but horizontal. The interior on the out-going one is good to great. On this new one...it seems to be phoquing fantastic... The overall silhouette and shape stays the same. The grille is the same overall. So...just because it ditches the stacked headlights for horizontal ones and just because it has a slightly kinked and chromed C Pillar that Cadillac blew it? Okay...I guess...

I like it. Like @Robert Hall said, the C Pillar does seem too busy but it dont bother me much. Love the front end. I have gotten over the stacked headlight look. I dont like the horizontal chrome piece that is just under the headlights that continue from the grill and I dont like the horizontal chrome piece that continues from the vertical LEDs...but that is about it. Love the interior. I dont like the blacked out chrome version. Hate it actually. I prefer if the bling bling on the C Pillar was slightly less prominent...maybe brushed nickel would work better for me...but over all, this new gen Escalade works for me and I think its a very good successor.

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Awesome T/A. Oh...the Trans Am is nice too. I almost didnt notice it in the back there.